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2018 Number 07
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QUEENSLAND BDM INDEX
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CURRENT CORRESPONDENCE:
CULLEN
On 2018-07-27 19:13, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Cullen,
Patrick (I156945)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: Death of Mr. P.
Cullen.
As briefly reported in our last issue (says the Queanbeyan "Age") the death took
place on Tuesday, 16th inst., of Mr. P.
Cullen, who was in his 70th year.
Until the previous Friday deceased was enjoying his usual good health, but
contracted a cold, and pneumonia developed, resulting in his death as stated.
The late Mr Cullen was born in County Leitrim, Ireland, coming to Australia some
fifty years ago. He has resided with his wife and members of his family in
Queanbeyan and district for the last fifty years, during which time his honest
and straight forward life made for him a host of friends throughout the
district, who mourn his sudden death. He leaves a loving wife and family, the
members of which are'97 Mrs Bates (Canberra), Mrs McKenzie (Sydney), Mrs J.
Rolfe ("Box Hill," Tangmangaroo),
Mrs J. McGrath ("Clear View," Burrowa),
Miss M. Cullen (Queanbeyan), and Messrs Jack (Newcastle), Joe (Sydney) and
Patrick and Bernard (Queanbeyan). The funeral took place on the afternoon of the
17th, and was largely attended, the Rev. Father Haydon officiating at the
graveside, and after the burial he made touching reference to deceased's life
and work. He was, he said, possessed of an honest heart, and led an exemplary
life. He was a faithful husband, a loving father, and a true friend to all who
knew him. As such we can but remember him. The members of the Holy Catholic
Guild, of which deceased was a member, attended and acted as pall bearers. The
mourners at the graveside were representative of the whole town and district,
testifying to the esteem in which the late Mr Cullen was held. Messrs. O'Rourke
Bros. had charge of the funeral arrangements. We join with those throughout the
district in offering to the bereaved family our sincere sympathy.
Burrowa News (NSW :
1874 - 1951), Friday 26 January 1923, page 3
Warwick
Thank
you,
Regards, Ian
BURGESS
On 2018-07-27 17:16, Douglas John Burgess wrote:
Proposed Change: Family:
Burgess, Isaac / Pheeney,
Ada
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers
and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: My father Robert Burgess born 31/10/30 - 10/3/17 in Sydney, was
the 7th child of Isaac Burgess and Ada Pheeny.
I was born in Cooma in 1959 as were my othe 3
siblings.
My gggrandfather was
Isaac Burgess Cockcroft (the convict who arrived on the Mary Ann in 1835) was
the the father
of Mary Burgess, the 3rd wife of Henry Ball of Adiminaby.
Mary was the daughter of Mary Stritch who
married the convict Isaac Burgess Cockcroft in 1841.
Isaac Burgess Cockcroft is known as Isaac (I).
Isaac (I) married a 2nd time in Yass in 1851 to Martha Chapman.
Isaac married Martha Chapman at the CofE Church
in the Parish of Gundaroo, Gunning and Yass.
Isaac (I) and Martha had six children between 1858 and 1870. Angelina,
Elizabeth, Isaac, Selina,
Joshua and Maria
Isaac (II) was born in Bungendore (the birth was registered in Queanbeyan).
Isaac (III) was born in Bombala and he was a butcher.
My father was born in Pambula in the McKell house.
(William McKells (NSW
premier and first Australian born GG) father was also a butcher who may have
sold the business to Isaac II.
Douglas John Burgess
Thank
you,
Regards, Ian
BRADLEY
On 2018-07-27 04:02, Helen wrote:
Proposed Change: Bradley,
Kevin (I285872)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: Kevin was born 1925 and died 18 Aug 1992 in ACT...still cant find
out any marriage...or other info :)
Helen
Hi
Helen,
Roy Kevin Bradley (Chalker/Whittaker) was born in 1914 in Queanbeyan. Mother Elizabeth Jane and no father listed ...
Now this where the real challenge comes in... William "Edward" Chalker (b25/12/1870 - no death yet) married Elizabeth Jane Whittaker (b1877) in 1895 in Queanbeyan. Roy Kevin as you know dies under the surname Bradley so it can be assumed that his Mother, Elizabeth Jane Chalker nee Whittaker was the person who married William Henry Bradley in 1915 Queanbeyan. Was she a widow by then, a divorcee or what? The MP database has William Henry Bradley married to Elizabeth Jane Chalker (b1875 Cooma) but now I think that must be incorrect and I have changed the database to reflect this new assumption.
My "guess" as I don't have any certificates to prove my theory is Elizabeth Jane Chalker nee Whittaker was separated from husband "Edward" Chalker and was having a relationship with William Henry Bradley from about 1904 until they married in 1915. Four children were born to Elizabeth Jane Chalker with no father listed:-
Mary Emma (Mollie) Chalker (married
as Bradley) b1904 Parramatta.
Alexander John Chalker (WW2
and Married as Bradley) b24/12/1907 Queanbeyan
Ruth May Chalker (married
as Bradley) b1910 Queanbeyan
and Roy Kevin Chalker who
dies as a Bradley.
Now that leaves William A. Chalker/Bradley who is registered ...
There is a William Ardsley Bradley who died 13/9/1965 in the ACT and is buried in Woden close to Elizabeth Jane. Could this be the William A. Chalker born in 1901?
Yes according to his death notice ..
DEATHS
BRADLEY,.William Ardsley,
Sept. 13th at Canberra. Late of 119 Causeway. Son of the Late William Henry and
Elizabeth Jane Bradley, brother of Lottie (Mrs A. Blewitt),
Grace (Mrs S. Lewis), Molly (Mrs A. Reid), Alexander John, May (Mrs Herbert),
Kevin,
Lily (Mrs W. Reid) and Darcy. Aged 64 years.
"At Rest."
The Canberra Times (ACT : 1926 - 1995) Tue 14 Sep 1965
Which begs the question who was his real father?
If you check the MP database now, I believe we have the correct information and all the right children.
http://www.monaropioneers.com/
Regards, Ian
BRADLEY
On 2018-07-27 04:00, Helen wrote:
Proposed Change: Bradley, May
(I285867)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: real name is Ruth May born 1924, married Ernest Alfred Herbert,
lived at 58 Kennedy St Kingston ACT with 2 children -
Raymond Graham and Helen Joyce...Ernest was a bus driver
Helen
Thank
you,
Regards, Ian
BRADLEY
On 2018-07-27 03:56, Helen wrote:
Proposed Change: Bradley,
Riley (I285864)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: Real name is Alexander John born 1917 and died in 1986, he married
Isabel Grace Dennis (born 1909) they had 6 children -
Bernard Edward (Bernie) born abt 1953
Alexander Dennis born abt 1945
Denise born abt 1949
Grace Isabelle born ?
William Henry born abt 1943
and Lessie ?
the family lived at 75 Kennedy st Kingston
ACT
Helen
Hi
Helen,
He is in the MP database, born 24 December 1907 according to his war service record.
Regards, Ian
BRADLEY
On 2018-07-27 03:51, Helen wrote:
Proposed Change: Bradley,
Mollie (I285870)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: Mary Emma better known as Mollie/Molly was born 1904 ACT and did 9
Nov 1966 ACT, married Albert aka Tiger Reid (1914-1966) and had at least a child
- Edna May 1927-1927.
Albert and William were brothers who married sisters.
Helen
Thank
you,
Regards, Ian
BRADLEY
On 2018-07-27 03:48, Helen wrote:
Proposed Change: Bradley,
William (I285869)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: William Arnold (Bill)was born 1919, died in Canberra, married Maisie Alice
Freak (1914-1990)had a least a child, one of whom was named Joan Margaret born
1936
Helen
Thank
you,
Regards, Ian
BRADLEY
On 2018-07-27 03:45, Helen wrote:
Proposed Change: Bradley,
Lillian S. (I285865)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: Lillian Stella (Lily)was born 20 aug 1916
and died 8 feb 1978
ACT and was married to William Arthur Reid (1909 Syd-1977 Syd)(brother
to 'Tiger' Albert Reid who married her sister Molly whose real name is Mary Emma
1904-1966.
Lily and William lived at 64 Kennedy St Kingston ACT
Helen
Thank
you,
Regards, Ian
BYRON
On 2018-07-26 07:06, Geoff Byron wrote:
Proposed Change: Byron, John
(I281163)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: Marriage records obtained from India show the marriage of John
Byron and Elizabeth McCarty taking place on 19/11/1826 in Ghazeepore,
West Bengal, India. I have a copy of this record.
.
I have also obtained a copy of John Byron's Last Will and Testament which
revealed John Byron was an Apothecary with the 3rd Brigade Horse Artillery,
located at Fort William, Bengal, India. John Byron was killed in action on
21/12/1845 during the Battle of Ferozeshah,
north west of India. I do not know his date of birth. In his Will he details
at length how his then wife, Elizabeth McCarty left him abruptly in 1839, by
running off with one of their servants, and how this devastated and embarrassed
him. He continued to pay Elizabeth Byron support money up until his death, so
that in his life time, she would no be
a burden to the pubic.
In 1841, John Byron formed a loving companionship with an native named, Bebee Chunchal @ Bebee Mudharo,
(called Byrne), Mary, @ Charlotte, to whom he left everything and named her as
Executer of his Last Will and Testament. John Byron only left Elizabeth Byron
one rupee.
Geoff Byron
Thank
you,
Regards, Ian
LARKIN
On 2018-07-25 10:19, PL wrote:
Proposed Change: Larkins,
Arthur James Ernest (I67911)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers
and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: Ian,
New child for A.J.E. Larkins.
George A. Larkins bdm birth
ref 25048-1917
PL.
Thank
you,
Regards, Ian
JAMES
On 2018-07-25 09:20, Heather Stevens wrote:
Hi Ian
I went to Mitchell Library and checked William James's children's births. I am going to make changes to my tree based on the following:
1) John James, (supposedly the son of wife Mary Lewis) 1829-1829: birth is not in the index. Looked at death JAMES JOHN 977/1829 V1829977 13: Burial John James St Johns Parramatta 11 May, 5 years, free child [JAMES JOHN 977/1829 V1829977 13 and 8482/1829 V18298482 2C INFANT] Since he is 5 years old when he died and there is no record of birth, I have deleted him.
2) Jane James b.1845 parents are William James and Mary Ann McNight of Concord, servant (RC Parramatta) [ JAMES JANE 1382/1845 V1845 1382 62 WILLIAM MARY A ] so I have deleted her (note I am assuming she is the same as JAMES JANE 1033/1845 V18451033 145 WILLIAM MARY A which is the reference in your tree)
3) William James b1852 parents are William and Mary Ann Kenny of Figtree farmer, RC Wollongong. [JAMES WILLIAM 1787/1852 V1852 1787 121A WILLIAM MARY A ] so I have deleted him from my tree
4) Mary Jane b1851 [2345 V68] parents are William and Mary Ann Kenny of Figtree farmer, RC Wollongong, so I have deleted her from my tree
5) Christina Ann b.1854 [1915 121A] parents are William and Mary Ann Kenny of Figtree farmer, RC Wollongong, so I have deleted her from my tree
6) Mary Ann b 1843 and Samuel b1845 - I have changed the place of their births, and Mary Ann's death to Baulkham Hills. 'Baulkham Hills' is in the funeral register for Mary Ann, and the baptism of Samuel. There is 'of Windsor Rd' is in the baptism of Mary Ann, and Windsor Road goes through the hills district. William is 'farmer' in the births of Mary Ann and Samuel. It sounds like his land was very close to the O'Hara family - I must check on that sometime.
I'm not sure about the 'Hamilton' in George Hamilton James. Where does the Hamilton come from? He is 'George' in his baptism and in his father's will, but I don't know anything else about him.
I hope that this is some help for you.
Regards, Heather Stevens
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
On 18 July 2018 at 18:20, Heather Stevens wrote:
Thanks Ian - that was quick! I will let you know what I find next week.
Regards,
Heather
On 18 July 2018 at 17:57, <ian@monaropioneers.com> wrote:
Thank you Heather, your requested changes have been made.
Regards, Ian
On 2018-07-18 03:14, Heather Stevens wrote:
Hi Ian
Thank you for allowing me to look at Monaro Pioneers.
Could a correction please be made to the site?
There are 4 people that I can see who have incorrect information:
· William James 1808-1878 , ( MP29859 )
· his wife Mary Ann O'Hara (1814-1867) (MP32765)
· William James James (b 1833) (MP29861)
· his wife Mary Dod (1838-1867) ( MP196203 )
There seems to be confusion with the two wives.
I am looking at William James 1808-1878 ( MP29859 ) because I am interested in his wife Mary Ann O'Hara (MP32765). I have researched the O'Hara family extensively and I was interested in finding out what happened to Mary Ann.
Monaro Pioneers has Mary Ann's death as 1867, but this is actually the death of Mary Dod (MP196203) , the wife of one of William's son's William James James (MP29861) (b 1833, mother Esther Beckett).
It is obvious from Mary James nee Dod's death certificate (attached) that she is the one who had been abused by her husband and I would assume it was her who had run away, especially as the newspaper articles all have the name 'Mary', not 'Mary Ann'.
For that reason, I think the
following note does not apply to William James and should be placed in the son
William James James's page:
'James: My wife Mrs Mary James having left home nearly a fortnight ago without
provocation of any sort, this is to caution the public that I will not be
responsible for any debts she may contract. Signed by William James of Wargiela 10.4.1865.
Yass Courier 12.4.1865.'
Similarly, the following note does not apply to Mary Ann O'Hara and should be placed in Mary Dod's page:
'Yass Gazette on 2 November 1867
indicates that William James may have been guilty of Domestic Violence.
An inquest into the death of his last wife Mary James indicates that he may
have baeten Mary
often and badly when they lived in the bush and was the reason she left him.
A quote from the Inquest Jury states "The Jury desire to express their opinion
that the conduct of the deceased's husband, both to deceased herself and their
children has been most inhuman and deserves their highest censure.".'
I think the confusion arises from an Ancestry tree which previously had the above notes with Mary Ann O'Hara, but now has been transferred to Mary Dod! I myself had copied it into my tree and when I checked the source recently I noticed it had been changed! I am glad that Mary Ann O'Hara was not abused by her husband - she had gone through enough already!
Could you please remove the date of death 1867 Yass from Mary Ann O'Hara. It is actually Mary Dod's death. I don't know when Mary Ann died - it's a shame she isn't in the death index for Yass.
It is very interesting to see the marriage between Mary Ann O'Hara and William James 20 Jul 1852 at Yass, but again I suspect this is an earlier marriage of the son William James James, because 1)Mary Ann's maiden name was not Barbar, it was Wheeler, and 2) Mary Ann's husband James O'Hara was still alive.
Which brings us to Mary Ann O'Hara's parents and husband. She was born about 1810, her father was Thomas Wheeler of Richmond (Atlas 1 1801) b. abt 1762- d.1820. I don't know her mother's name. Just before Thomas Wheeler died he remarried and this woman married again just after he died and poor Mary Ann was sent to the orphan school. In 1830 she married James O'Hara (1812-1871) at Parramatta by Father Therry, and sadly soon after that the extended O'Hara family were convicted of receiving stolen goods from bushrangers. Mary Ann's husband was sent to Norfolk Island and Mary Ann, with her sister in law Mary O'Hara (my ancestor), and Mary O'Hara's grandmother Mary O'Brien were sent to Moreton Bay. Mary Ann returned in 1839 andsome time later she and William James developed a relationship and they had their baby Mary Ann baptised 1843 at St Pauls church Castle Hill - in the register is the notation ,"Mary Ann O'Hara wife of J.O'Hara discovered afterwards".
Regarding Price, Eliza Winston ( MP32759) who supposedly is Mary Ann's mother. I shake my head in wonderment when I see Eliza Winston Price in people's trees. Where-oh-where does this come from? Please, please remove her - send her back to ol' Virginia where she belongs please.
I hope all this makes sense. I have a public Ancestry tree ('Palmer and Stevens Branches') with more information about Mary Ann O'Hara. If you like I can send you an invitation so you can see it. I will be going into State Library next week and will check William James's children's births.
I have attached Mary James nee Dod's death certificate. Interestingly it looks like the coroner started to write 'Dod' for her father's name but then changed it to 'Due' [?].
I would appreciate it so much if you could make those changes. You may quote my name for the source if you want to.
Kind regards, Heather Stevens
WHITECHURCH
On 2018-07-25 02:41, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Whitechurch,
Lucy (I386522)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: THE LATE MRS. JOHN CLEVERDON
The venerable resident of Olney street whose death, at the age of 92, we briefly
recorded yesterday as having taken place that afternoon, at 1.30, had had a
remarkably healthy life till very latterly, and also a very interesting history.
She was the last of the first family of the Coddingtons,
who came out from the Old Country, landing in Sydney shortly before the wreck of
the Dunbar.
There are relatives In the Murrum burrah district.
A widow when only 18 (her husband was killed by a falling tree, leaving one
daughter) , she also lost her second hus band, Mr. Whitechurch,
after adding five more children; and.at 32
she made her third marriage, and there were six more children 12 in all.
Recently Mr:and Mrs. John Cleverdon happily
celebrated their diamond wedding. We announced yesterday that the funeral was to
leave for the Murrumburrah cemetery on Friday, but the relatives afterwards
decided upon to day for the funeral, which left the residence at 12.30 for the
Anglican cemetery, Murrumburrah.
Two of the first six died. The survivors are Mr. Chas. Whitechurch,
Young; Mr. Page Whitechurch, Coota mundra; Mrs. William Pilon,
Sydney; Mrs. Will
Harris, Queensland; Mr. John Cleverdon,Combanlng; Mrs. G:.
H. Waters, Cootamundra; Mrs. Ben
Williams, Tubbul; Mr. Arthur Cleverdon,
Grogan; Miss E. Cleverdon,
Cootamundra; Mrs. F.
West, Barmedman.
Deceased was a native of England (nee Lucy Coddington).
After being on the land at Tubbull Mr. and Mrs. Cleverdon retired
to Murrumburrah for four years, and came to Cootamundra about twelve years ago.
Deceased's 92nd birthday was on the 8th of this month. Until recently she used
to sit up and do fancywork; and some of it was in the non-competitive section of
the last Murrumburrah show. It Is Interesting to say that when the couple were
alone of a night with the newspapers and books, the grand old lady did most of
the reading out.
Cootamundra Herald (NSW : 1877 - 1954), Thursday 17 September 1936, page 2
Warwick
Thank
you,
Regards, Ian
BRIEN
On 2018-07-24 05:34, Glenda Seager wrote:
Proposed Change: Brien,
George Charles Alexander (I71412)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: Descendants
Marion Elizabeth Brien. b.12 April 1905
Norma Georgina Verna Brien. b.1906
Glenda Seager
Thank
you,
Regards, Ian
TYNDALE
On 2018-07-22 21:19, Peter Lowther wrote:
Proposed Change: Tyndale,
Nancy Brambledene (I70260)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers
and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: Nancy/Nance Brambledene Tozer
(Tyndale) d1954 BDM 6924-1954
Peter Lowther
Thank
you,
Regards, Ian
NOSWORTHY
On 2018-07-21 21:57, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Nosworthy,
Thomas (I25738)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: DEATH OF AN OLD RESIDENT.
An old and respected resident of the city, Mr. Thomas Nosworthy,
died suddenly at his residence, Goldsmith-street, at twenty minutes to seven
o'clock this morning.
The cause of death was heart failure arising from rheumatism. He was complaining
of pains in his shoulder yesterday, but objected to a doctor being called in.
Previous to that he had been in good health.
He had reached the ripe old age of 81 years and three months. Mr. Nosworthy was
born in Devonshire, and came to this State in the year 1849. After living at
Lake Bathurst for about six months he went to Maxton and carried on farming
there for many years. Later he went to Merrilla and
subsequently to Norwood, living at the latter place seven years. He continued
his occupation of farming both at Merrilla and
Norwood. After leaving Norwood he went into the employ of the late Rev. F. Tait
at Kenmore, and it few years ago retired and came to live in Goulburn.
His wife predeceased him by 30 years. Mr. Nosworthy is
survived by three sons and three daughters. The former are Messrs. William Nosworthy,
Goulburn ; Henry T. Nosworthy,
Goulburn and Oliver Stephen Nosworthy,
Sydney. The daughters are Mrs. Alfred
Churchill, Sydney ; Mrs. Walner Neary,
Bathurst ; and Mrs. William Tavener.
Dalby, Queensland. A sister, Mrs. Griffiths,
also survives, and has reached the great ago of 86. Mr. Nosworthy was
living with her at the time of his death. The late Mr. Nosworthy took
a keen interest in cricket, and was often to be seen at the show-ground on
Saturday afternoons.
Goulburn Evening Penny Post (NSW : 1881 - 1940), Saturday 11 September 1909,
page 2
Warwick
Thank
you,
Regards, Ian
NOSWORTHY
On 2018-07-20 08:16, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Nosworthy,
Thomas (I25738)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: The Burials in County Argyle Book has death as 11/9/1909
Warwick
Thank
you,
Regards, Ian
NOSWORTHY
On 2018-07-20 08:02, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Nosworthy,
Thomas (I25741)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: marriage
2508/1873
NOSWORTHY THOMAS
NOSWORTHY ALICE
GOULBURN
Alice's parents Phillip Nosworthy and
Rebecca Ash
Warwick
Thank
you,
Regards, Ian
NOSWORTHY
On 2018-07-20 05:24, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Nosworthy,
John (I25740)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers
and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: another daughter
NOSWORTHY AMELIA M
9596/1868
JOHN
SARAH
GOULBURN
Warwick
Thank
you,
Regards, Ian
NOSWORTHY
On 2018-07-20 04:42, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Nosworthy,
Mary Anna (I33655)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: death, age seems to wrong, but parents correct
MOSS Mary Hannah Death notice 17OCT1958 Death 68 at St George
Hospital, late of Brighton-le-Sands Sydney Morning Herald 20OCT1958
MOSS MARY HANNAH
30041/1958
JOHN
SARAH
ROCKDALE
Warwick
NOSWORTHY
On 2018-07-20 04:28, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Nosworthy,
Mary Anna (I33655)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers
and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: NOSWORTHY MARY ANNA
9873/1870
JOHN
SARAH
GOULBURN
MARRIED,
MOSS - NOSWORTHY April 9th, 1895, by the Rev. Joseph Parker, Congregational
Minister, at his residence, West-street, North Sydney, CHARLES JOSEPH, eldest
son of CHARLES JOSEPH MOSS, of Goulburn, to MARY HANNAH, second eldest daughter
of JOHN NOSWORTHY, of Goulburn.
Goulburn Evening Penny Post (NSW : 1881 - 1940) Thu 23 May 1895 Page 3
Warwick
Thank
you,
Regards, Ian
NOSWORTHY
On 2018-07-20 04:10, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Nosworthy,
Robert (I25742)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: Drowning Fatality.
On Saturday morning a man named John Nosworthy was
found drowned in the Binda Creek, near the bridge, and within a few hundred
yards of Funny Hill homestead, by Mr. A.
Carr. It appears deceased had been in the employ of Messrs. Garr
Bros; for about 8 years. He went into Binda last week, and left for home on
Thursday night. On Friday his dog arrived home, which fact caused a little
anxiety and a search was made, resulting as above stated; It is surmised, that
deceased missed his footing when crossing the hand bridge and fell between the
railing, probably being rendered unconscious, as by all accounts he had slight
marks on the head as if he had struck against some hard object. He was 54 years
of age and unmarried.
Mr. S. L. Cox,
J.P., District Coroner, held an inquest at the Royal Hotel, Binda, on Sunday,
when a verdict of found drowned was recorded.
The remains of deceased were interred in the Church of England portion of the
Binda cemetery, on Sunday afternoon, the Rev. H; E. Hetherington officiating at
the grave.
Argyle Liberal and District Recorder (NSW : 1903 - 1930), Tuesday 18 April 1905,
page 2
NOSWORTHY ROBERT
4806/1905
ROBERT
MARY
CROOKWELL
Warwick
Thank
you,
Regards, Ian
COOPER
On 2018-07-20 03:38, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Cooper,
Sarah (I33694)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers
and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: NOSWORTHY
At her daughter's residence, Trafalgar Street, Brighton-le-Sands (suddenly),
Sarah, wife of late John Nosworthy of
Goulburn, 93 years. By request no mourning or flowers.
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) Mon 27 May 1940 Page 8 Family
Notices
Warwick
Thank
you,
Regards, Ian
NOSWORTHY
On 2018-07-20 03:33, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Nosworthy,
Elizabeth A. (I33648)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: Death
PLACE Elizabeth Alice Death notice 06OCT1965 Death 83 late of
Springfield, via Gosford, formerly of Hurstville Sydney Morning Herald
07OCT1965
Husband death
PLACE Ernest Lamb Death notice 23AUG1967 Death late of
Springfield Sydney Morning Herald 24AUG1967
Warwick
NOSWORTHY
On 2018-07-20 03:30, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Nosworthy,
Elizabeth A. (I33648)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: WEDDING.
The Rev. W. H. Beale officiated at a quiet wedding which took place at the
Rockdale Methodist Church on Wednesday, April 22, when Mr. Ernest
Lamb Place, only son of the late Mr. John
Robert Place, of Arncliffe, was married to Miss Elizabeth Alice Nosworthy,
fourth daughter of Mr. John Nosworthy,
of Arncliffe, formerly of Goulburn.
The bride was dressed in white silk, trimmed with lace and orange blossoms, and
a streasth and
veil, the latter being the same as worn by the bridegroom's mother. The three
bridesmaids were Miss Essie M. Place, sister of the bridegroom, and Misses Eflie and
Gladys Nosworthsy,
nieces of she bride.
The best man was Mr. A.
C. Nosworsthy.
The bridegroom's gift to the bride was a gold blue enamel and pearl true-lovers'
knot brooch (similar to the one his grandfather gave his bride), and to the
bridesmaids he gate a gold brooch with a ruby and pearl horseshoe. A reception
was held at Merrilla,
the residence of the bride's parents, after which refreshments were served in a
large marquee on the lawn.
Goulburn Evening Penny Post (NSW : 1881 - 1940), Saturday 23 May 1908, page 2
Warwick
Thank
you,
Regards, Ian
JAMES/O’HARA/DOD
On 2018-07-18 03:14, Heather Stevens wrote:
Hi Ian
Thank you for allowing me to look at Monaro Pioneers.
Could a correction please be made to the site?
There are 4 people that I can see who have incorrect information:
· William James 1808-1878 , ( MP29859 )
· his wife Mary Ann O'Hara (1814-1867) (MP32765)
· William James James (b 1833) (MP29861)
· his wife Mary Dod (1838-1867) ( MP196203 )
There seems to be confusion with the two wives.
I am looking at William James 1808-1878 ( MP29859 ) because I am interested in his wife Mary Ann O'Hara (MP32765). I have researched the O'Hara family extensively and I was interested in finding out what happened to Mary Ann.
Monaro Pioneers has Mary Ann's death as 1867, but this is actually the death of Mary Dod (MP196203) , the wife of one of William's son's William James James (MP29861) (b 1833, mother Esther Beckett).
It is obvious from Mary James nee Dod's death certificate (attached) that she is the one who had been abused by her husband and I would assume it was her who had run away, especially as the newspaper articles all have the name 'Mary', not 'Mary Ann'.
For that reason, I think the
following note does not apply to William James and should be placed in the son
William James James's page:
'James: My wife Mrs Mary James having left home nearly a fortnight ago without
provocation of any sort, this is to caution the public that I will not be
responsible for any debts she may contract. Signed by William James of Wargiela 10.4.1865.
Yass Courier 12.4.1865.'
Similarly, the following note does not apply to Mary Ann O'Hara and should be placed in Mary Dod's page:
'Yass Gazette on 2 November 1867
indicates that William James may have been guilty of Domestic Violence.
An inquest into the death of his last wife Mary James indicates that he may
have baeten Mary
often and badly when they lived in the bush and was the reason she left him.
A quote from the Inquest Jury states "The Jury desire to express their opinion
that the conduct of the deceased's husband, both to deceased herself and their
children has been most inhuman and deserves their highest censure.".'
I think the confusion arises from an Ancestry tree which previously had the above notes with Mary Ann O'Hara, but now has been transferred to Mary Dod! I myself had copied it into my tree and when I checked the source recently I noticed it had been changed! I am glad that Mary Ann O'Hara was not abused by her husband - she had gone through enough already!
Could you please remove the date of death 1867 Yass from Mary Ann O'Hara. It is actually Mary Dod's death. I don't know when Mary Ann died - it's a shame she isn't in the death index for Yass.
It is very interesting to see the marriage between Mary Ann O'Hara and William James 20 Jul 1852 at Yass, but again I suspect this is an earlier marriage of the son William James James, because 1)Mary Ann's maiden name was not Barbar, it was Wheeler, and 2) Mary Ann's husband James O'Hara was still alive.
Which brings us to Mary Ann O'Hara's parents and husband. She was born about 1810, her father was Thomas Wheeler of Richmond (Atlas 1 1801) b. abt 1762- d.1820. I don't know her mother's name. Just before Thomas Wheeler died he remarried and this woman married again just after he died and poor Mary Ann was sent to the orphan school. In 1830 she married James O'Hara (1812-1871) at Parramatta by Father Therry, and sadly soon after that the extended O'Hara family were convicted of receiving stolen goods from bushrangers. Mary Ann's husband was sent to Norfolk Island and Mary Ann, with her sister in law Mary O'Hara (my ancestor), and Mary O'Hara's grandmother Mary O'Brien were sent to Moreton Bay. Mary Ann returned in 1839 andsome time later she and William James developed a relationship and they had their baby Mary Ann baptised 1843 at St Pauls church Castle Hill - in the register is the notation ,"Mary Ann O'Hara wife of J.O'Hara discovered afterwards".
Regarding Price, Eliza Winston ( MP32759) who supposedly is Mary Ann's mother. I shake my head in wonderment when I see Eliza Winston Price in people's trees. Where-oh-where does this come from? Please, please remove her - send her back to ol' Virginia where she belongs please.
I hope all this makes sense. I have a public Ancestry tree ('Palmer and Stevens Branches') with more information about Mary Ann O'Hara. If you like I can send you an invitation so you can see it. I will be going into State Library next week and will check William James's children's births.
I have attached Mary James nee Dod's death certificate. Interestingly it looks like the coroner started to write 'Dod' for her father's name but then changed it to 'Due' [?].
I would appreciate it so much if you could make those changes. You may quote my name for the source if you want to.
Kind regards, Heather Stevens
Thank you Heather, your requested changes have been made.
Regards, Ian
SIRL
On 2018-07-17 21:12, Gregory McInnes wrote:
Proposed Change: Sirl,
Donald Edward (I388205)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers
and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: The Monaro Post 27 June 2018
DONALD (DON) EDWARD SIRL
26.04.1941 - 21.06.2018
Dearly loved husband of Patricia (Patty).
Devoted father of Michelle and Helen, father-in-law and mate
of John and Scott. Loving and loved Granddad of Danielle, Sam, Sarah,
Jess and their partners. Besotted Great Granddad to Caleb.
Now pain free and at peace.
R.I.P
Don's funeral will be a Graveside Service at the Cooma Cemetery,
Mittagang Road,
Cooma North, on Thursday,
28 June 2018 commencing at 11am.
In lieu of flowers, donations to Oncology, The Canberra Hospital
appreciated. Envelopes available at the service.
White Lady Funerals
Tuggeranong 6293 3199 Australian Owned
Gregory McInnes
Thank
you,
Regards, Ian
GOODWIN
On 2018-07-17 01:12, Lois Good wrote:
Proposed Change: Family:
Goodwin, Sydney Reginald / Attwater,
A.M.
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: Some additional information for you.
Angela Mary Attwater
Died: 4/7/2018
Buried: 13/7/2018, Cooma Cemetery, NSW
Daughter - Marybeth Goodwin
Born: 25/11/1949, Cooma, NSW
Died: 6/9/2013, Melbourne, Vic
Buried: 13/7/2018, Cooma Cemetery, NSW
Married:
Spouse: Daniel Herbert Jacobson
Born: 21/5/1939, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Died: 16/5/2018, Melbourne, Vic
Buried: 13/7/2018, Cooma Cemetery, NSW
Son: C.B.Jacobson
Lois Good
Thank
you,
Regards, Ian
McDONALD
On 2018-07-15 02:04, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: McDonald,
Bridget (I213989)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: MRS BRIDGET TICEHURST
A very, old and highly respected citizen of this district in the person of Mrs
Bridget Ticehurst, passed peacefully away on Friday last, at the ripe old age of
88 years. Deceased was born at Bungendore and at an early age was married to Mr
Murphy, there being two children by the union.
Several years after their marriage, she lost her husband, and later, she married Mr. W.
Ticehurst.
The funeral took place on Saturday afternoon to the Catholic portion of the
Murrumburrah cemetery, the Rev Father O'Connor officiating at the grave.
Murrumburrah Signal and County of Harden Advocate (NSW : 1881 - 1947) Thu 15 Sep
1938 Page 2
1734/1871
MURPHY TERENCE
MCDONALD BRIDGET
BINALONG
816/1887
TICEHURST WILLIAM R
MURPHY BRIDGET
SYDNEY
TICEHURST BRIDGET
18651/1938
JOHN
CAROLINE
MURRUMBURRAH
Warwick
Thank
you Warwick,
That connected a few dots.
Regards, Ian
HOWARD
On 2018-07-10 03:10, Kristine Howard wrote:
Proposed Change: Howard, S.R.
(I397427)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: S.R. Howard is Stanley Raymond Howard born in Perth on 1 July 1921.
He married Joan Marion Dawes in Perth on 24 November 1945. Joan was born in
Narrogin WA on 22 April 1926. Stan died on 7 July 2018 in Cooma NSW.
Kristine Howard
Thank
you,
Regards, Ian
SHEEHYS
From: james coppins
Sent: 2018-07-09 1:07 PM
Subject: RE: Monaro Pioneer's Newsletter - June 2018
Hi David,
Just a short note to thank you for putting me in touch with Meika loofs Samorzewski, from Hobart. Meika is a descendent of the Irish Sheehys, one worked for William Adams Brodribb, on his property at Bullanamang, near Bredbo during the 1840’s, as did my great great grandfather Hugh larkin an Irish convict. Much has been written about many of the Pioneers of the Monaro, but it seems that little has been recorded of the early convict shepherds who were often sent miles from the main camp or homestead, and where early contact with the first people, theNgunnawal and the other tribes, often befell men like my ancestor. We would be pleased to hear from any of your readers in regard to those early shepherds.
Best regards
James Coppins Ardrossan SA 5571.
HOWARD
On 2018-07-06 06:56, Michelle wrote:
Proposed Change: Howard, Ivy
C. (I298704)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers
and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/
Description: Hi Ian
BENSLEY Ivy Death notice 26APR1970 Death 72 late of Crookwell Sydney Morning
Herald 27APR1970
Ivy married VOLNEY PERTH BENSLEY 4 MAY 1917 at Cowra NSW.
Volney was born
c1889 at Crookwell to ROBERT BLOOMFIELD BENSLEY & MARY ANN HOWARD
BENSLEY Volney Perth
Death notice 02AUG1972 Death 83 late of Crookwell Sydney Morning Herald
04AUG1972
Volney & Ivy were
first cousins.
Volneys mother,
MARY ANN (nee HOWARD) BENSLEY was the sister of CHARLES HOWARD, Ivy's father.
Ivy and Volney's children
( two that I can find)
were
1.SYLVIA ESMA BENSLEY B 1918 died 21 Oct 1993 Crookwell as Sylvia Esma Cady.
(Married Archibald Davis Cady in 1941 Crookwell)
CADY Archibald Davis Death notice 30NOV1997 Death 84 formerly of Maxton,
Crookwell Sydney Morning Herald 02DEC1997
2.DOUGLAS VOLNEY BENSLEY B 29 Aug 1920 Crookwell.
BENSLEY Douglas Volney Death
notice 12JUN1978 Death late of Mount Andrew, Lower Portland, formerly of
Crookwell Sydney Morning Herald 14JUN1978
Married HILDA MAY GERMER 19 JUL 1944 at Cowra NSW
Hilda was the daughter of Herbert Henry Germer and
Hilda Victoria Dixon (as per MP site)
Children (two that I can find)
1. JUDITH MAY BENSLEY 13 Apr 1948-4 Apr 2002 (Place of death unknown)
2.ANDREW ROBERT JAMES BENSLEY C MAY 1956-11 JUN 1956, Wade House , Sydney (Aged
14 days)
cheers, Michelle
Thank
you,
Regards, Ian