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2017 Number 11
ANNOUNCEMENTS:
MONARO PIONEERS now on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/groups/893648944008345/
From:
John S. Trengove
Sent: 2017-12-03 12:38 PM
Subject: Monaro Database
Dear Monaro Pioneers, Editor/Website Coordinator,
I believe that the following information and attachment compliment the work of
Monaro Pioneers, and could be of interest to readers of your Newsletter.
If you see fit, I would be pleased for the Attachment to appear in your
Newsletter.
Thanking you,
John S. Trengove,
Author
RIXON/GOODWIN
Second Reunion of Descendants of James Rixon & Amelia Goodwin
20th May 2018, 10am – 4pm
St Matthews Church Parish Centre, Windsor, NSW
All descendants of James & Amelia are invited to gather at Windsor to celebrate
220 years of Rixons in Australia.
For more details & to indicate your intention to attend please contact Joye
Rixon Walsh on
joye_walsh@yahoo.com
ASSISTANCE REQUIRED:
From: Kris P
Sent: 2017-10-29 9:49 AM
Subject: [SPAM] Book request
Hi David
In addition to my earlier email I'm also seeking a copy of the
Kiandra book: gold
fields to ski fields
Kind regards, Kris Tindale
CURRENT CORRESPONDENCE:
BATCH
From:
Warren Wagner
Sent: Saturday, 2 December 2017
12:42 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Batch,
Elizabeth Mary (I44654)
Proposed Change: Batch, Elizabeth Mary (I44654)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I44654&tree=MP
Description: I obtained the wedding certificate for this wedding. It states that
Elizabeth 'Batch' (no Mary) married John Watkins Senior (widower) on 22 April
1879 at Lake Plains Cootalantra (BDM 2819/1879) with the rites of
the Church of England.
Elizabeth is listed as a spinster. John Watkins Snr died 9 April 1884.
I also found a Trove article from Sydney Morning Herald, Sat 17th October 1896
-page 3 (I have a downloaded copy) where this Elizabeth leaves her estate
as a widower to a Mr John Wagner. John Wagner died at Coolringdon in May 1897.
Why would she do that ?- Another family tree has unconfirmed details that
Elizabeth wagner died on 30 Sep 1996. John Wagner is my forefather, I am a
grandson of William Thomas Wagner, William was a child of Charles Henry Wagner &
Sarah Pegram.
BDM (NSW-QLD-VIC-SA) have no death records for Elizabeth Wagner in the 1890 to
1900 area, only John Wagner. John Wagner had senility in his later years & was
the same age as John Watkins Senior, perhaps she separated from John
Wagner, it is my strong opinion that John Watkins Senior actually married
Elizabeth Wagner (nee Burch-sounds like Batch ). Birth certificates of Louis
Wagner & his sister Bertha (Martha) Wagner state that Elizabeth was first
married in Germany as Elizabeth Burch in about 1855 -in Wurttemberg Germany-
just before sailing to Australia. Perhaps back then there was not the need to
prove you were a spinster when marrying (or remarrying )
My other suggestion is that Aston James Watkins did not marry Elizabeth Batch (
as per the details on the wedding certificate ). If anyone has details of
Elizabeth Wagner death details I would be pleased to hear from you. I have had
searches done at St Patricks Catholic Church in Queanbeyan with no results, nor
with the Monaro Cooma Shire Council (Noelene Whiting was extremely helpful
).This is probably why BDM can't find her , I will now start searching for the
death details of Elizabeth Watkins. I have created the Wagner Family tree at the
My Heritage website -created Oct 2016. Thank you for your knowledge and
wonderful Monaro Pioneers site, regards, Warren . Tel : 0408
210 888.
P.S. I can forward you a download copy of the wedding certificate & a copy of
the Trove SMH 1896 probation article of Elizabeth Watkins.
Warren Wagner
Hi Warren,
Thank you for the information, Elizabeth Batch (Burch) may well have used that
name to disguise the fact she was still married to John Wagner? I will
change our records to show Elizabeth Wagner nee Burch married John Watkins.
The NSW BDM index shows Elizabeth Watkins died in 1896 Cooma (13240/1896).
Yes please, I would definitely appreciate a copy of the marriage certificate and
the trove article
Regards, Ian
Good morning Ian & David,
Thanks for the very quick response to my suggestions.
Please do not amend the entry for the marriage of Elizabeth Batch to Aston James
Watkins in 1897 just yet.
After sending you the message yesterday, I read your history of John Watkins Snr
& Ann Fraser, I also saw the photo that you have on your site, of their shared
headstone, provided by the family members of their daughter Ann Watkins. I would
not wish to upset the Watkins Family's precious memories of John & Ann
Watkins.
For whatever reason for marrying , if this is Elizabeth Wagner nee Burch, she
would have had John Wagner JUNIOR (Jnr) with her, he being aged about 7 years at
the time of the wedding. I realise John Wagner Snr was struggling to make ends
meet & to provide, having arrived in Australia from Germany with very little- &
with their first child Charles Henry Wagner with them.
As you will see on their wedding cert. BDM 2819/1879: it shows Elizabeth
Batch & John Watkins SENIOR (Snr) in the presence of the officiating
minister (his name appears twice) & ANN WATKINS ( I am assuming this is his
daughter).
Neither John or Elizabeth's age are mentioned ( ND: not discussed ?/not
divulged? ), John Snr is mentioned as a Free Selector & a Widower.
Neither John Watkins Snr or Elizabeth Batch signed in their own hand.
I know that they stayed married until John Watkins Snr had his fateful horse
injury.
My guess is that the John Wagner mentioned in the SMH Trove Probate article in
1896 is meant to be her son John Wagner Jnr, who would have been about 24 when
Elizabeth died at about age 64, he probably cared for her in her later years
(John Wagner Jnr did die in Kogarah & must have had a family as the Trove
funeral notice for him states so).
Yesterday, I ordered the death cert. for Elizabeth Watkins
13240/1896, although it says no Mother or Father name listed for her ( as with
all of the other certs. that mention Elizabeth Wagner (nee Burch & also Birch),
it may confirm her country of birth & any children she may have had.
I would like to send you a copy of the death cert. when it arrives.
Then, if it turns out to be that Elizabeth Wagner (nee Burch) did sneakily &
possibly unlawfully marry John Watkins Snr for comfort & convenience for both,(
after a period of separation from John Wagner Snr ) there is still NO NEED to
place her with John Watkins Snr on your group sheet, but it would mean
deleting the link with Aston James Watkins. We also know that the John Watkins
mentioned is not John Watkins JUNIOR (jnr).
This way , our family has the correct knowledge of the final resting place of
our Elizabeth & the Watkins Family won't have their treasured family memories
tarnished or damaged.
Not everything has to be listed on the Monaro Pioneers Website.
Finally, I will attach some camera pics of their wedding cert. now & will
send a scanned copy when my scanner is repaired. I will also attach some certs.
& articles relating to John Wagner JNR & of his elder sister Bertha ( referred
to as Martha in later times ) she was John & Elizabeth Wagner's first born child
in Australia, along with the death cert. for John Wagner SNR.
Regards, Warren.
P.S. from WARREN WAGNER.
Ian,
I mentioned in my message, that on the wedding certificate it stated ND for the
ages, I think I am wrong. Having read the certificate again just now, the
stylising of the W in widower is similar to that in the Age section, so I'm
guessing that it is a shortening of W ithel D (witheld) & the W in Watkins
is different because it crosses the T in Watkins. Calligraphy deciphering
is probably best left to someone like you who specialises in antiquated writings
in documents.
Cheers, Woz.
Hi Warren,
Thank you for the copies of the certificates and newspaper reports.
I don’t believe that Charles Wagner, son of John and Elizabeth, was called
Charles Henry nor do I think he is the one shown on the Death Certificate you
provided. I think Charles Wagner died on the 5th November 1939 in
Queanbeyan and is buried in the Queanbeyan Riverside Cemetery. He
certainly could not have married Annie Doncaster in 1893 as he was still having
children with Sarah Pegram until 1902 in Cooma.
Regards, Ian
HAZELGROVE
From:
Michelle
Sent: Saturday, 2 December 2017 8:49
PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Hazelgrove,
Edmund Horace (I51762)
Proposed Change: Hazelgrove, Edmund Horace (I51762)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I51762&tree=MP
Description: South Coast Times and Wollongong Argus (NSW : 1900 - 1954) Friday
18 May 1917 p 24 Article
PAMBULA.
Mr. Edmond Hazelgrove, of Lower Towamba, and Miss Smith, of Burragate, were
married at Pambula on Monday week. Rev. Upjohn performing the ceremony.
Cheers, Michelle
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
PARKER
From:
Michelle
Sent: Friday, 1 December 2017 8:51
PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Parker, Edley
George (I78641)
Proposed Change: Parker, Edley George (I78641)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I78641&tree=MP
Description:
Glen Innes Examiner (NSW : 1908 - 1954) Sat 5 Aug 1933 Page 4
OBITUARY
MR HEDLEY PARKER.
Mr. Hedley George Parker, third son of Mr. W. Parker, Tenterfield, died in the
Kyogle Hospital recently, as the result of a very painful accident, when he fell
into the steaming pond at the Kyogle Veneering Works. He leaves a widow and four
young children. Two of his sisters, Mesdames John and Gordon Gill, reside in
Sydney, also a brother, Const. Bert Parker.
A third sister, Miss Bertha Parker, resides with her father at Tenterfield,
together with his remaining brothers, Norman, Wilfred, Arthur, Lloyd, Ronald,
Walter, Stanley, and Milton Parker. A number of relatives of the deceased reside
in the Glen Innes district.
Cheers, Michelle
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
GORDON
From:
Michelle
Sent: Friday, 1 December 2017 8:18
PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Gordon, Martha
Ella (I78637)
Proposed Change: Gordon, Martha Ella (I78637)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I78637&tree=MP
Description: Hi Ian,
This newspaper article below actually shows a different date of marriage for
Martha Ella Gordon and Edley Parker compared to the one on MP site.
The Kyogle Examiner (NSW : 1912; 1914 - 1915; 1917 - 1954) Tuesday 17 January
1928 p 3 Article
PARKER-GORDON.
A very pretty wedding was celebrated in St. James Church, Kyogle, December 21st,
by the Rev. E. H. Shaw, the contracting parties being Mr. E. Parker, second son
of Mr. Wm. Parker and the late Mrs. Parker, of Tenterfield, and Miss Ella
Gordon, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. R. Gordon,
The bride, who was tastefully attired in a pretty frock of ivory mariette,
trimmed with insertion and lace, also wore the customary wreath and veil,
(kindly lent by Mrs. B. Ellis, of Omagh road, Kyogle). Her bouquet was of cream
roses and ferns, tied with satin streamers. The bridesmaid was attired in deep
cream crepe de chene, with hand-made posies. Her pale blue hat was trimmed with
hand-made flowers. After the ceremony the company adjourned to the home of the
bride's sister, Mrs. J. V. Slattery, where the reception was held, and at which
the customary toasts were honored. Later the happy couple left by car en route
to Tenterfield and Toowoomba, where the honeymoon was
spent.
Michelle
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
REID
From:
Nicola Franklin
Sent: Thursday, 30 November 2017
11:37 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Reid,
Elizabeth C. (I144754)
Proposed Change: Reid, Elizabeth C. (I144754)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I144754&tree=MP
Description: Hi guys,
This Elizabeth C. Reid is the same person as Elizabeth Annie Clare Reid (Person
ID I313208 ). She married Michael Quirk, had 9 children (including my
grandmother Harriet Rose b. 1933). Her mother was Mary Prior, b. 1861/2 who had
15 children and died age 59 (I have a portrait of her in 1880, I have her nose
<3 but not her children thank goodness).
Please let me know if you need documents etc.
Thank you!
Nicola
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
THOMPSON
From:
Sharon Gould
Sent: Tuesday, 28 November 2017 8:09
PM
Subject: Arthur Ray Thompson
Arthur Ray Thompson
BIRTH 24 DEC 1900 • Bombala, New South Wales, Australia
DEATH 14 JAN 1923 • Picton, New South Wales, Australia
Birth
24 Dec 1900 • Bombala, New South Wales, Australia
NSW BDM # 1637/1901 THOMPSON ARTHUR R EDWARD MARTHA BOMBALA -- Registered after
the new year
Death
14 Jan 1923 • Picton, New South Wales, Australia
Name: Arthur R Thompson Death Date: 1923 Death Place: New South Wales Father's
Name: Edward A Mother's name: Martha J Registration Year: 1923 Registration
Place: Picton, New South Wales
Parish Record.
Head stone ST. Marks , Picton
Inquest about death.
News paper about Death.
Regards Sharon.
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
WALSH
From:
Warwick
Sent: Tuesday, 28 November 2017 1:55
PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Walsh, Walter
(I282847)
Proposed Change: Walsh, Walter (I282847)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I282847&tree=MP
Description: Believe there is another child here, Samuel Michael Born 7 0ct 1866
Collector. Can't find birth rego as yet.
Death
Samuel Michael Walsh, labourer, of Koorawatha, died on the 15th September at
Koorawatha at the age of 46. The deceased was born at Collector, near Goulburn,
and was married
Goulburn Evening Penny Post (NSW : 1881 - 1940)
Thu 2 Oct 1913 Page 2
14126/1913 WALSH SAMUEL M WALTER
MARY A YOUNG
Married twice - Clara J. Humphies 1892 Goulburn and Everlyn Maud Norris 1908
Young. Have headstones of both wives if interested.
Warwick
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
BROGAN
From:
Warwick
Sent: Monday, 27 November 2017 6:37
PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Brogan,
Winifred Catherine (I78503)
Proposed Change: Brogan, Winifred Catherine (I78503)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I78503&tree=MP
Description: Marriage
3510/1917 HARCOURT CYRIL G BROGAN WINIFRED C SYDNEY
Death
33849/1965 HARCOURT WINIFRED CATHERENA JAMES ELLEN HELENSBURGH
HARCOURT Winifred Catherine Death notice
16NOV1965 Death 88
at Hospital Sydney Morning Herald
17NOV1965
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BROGAN
From:
Warwick
Sent: Monday, 27 November 2017 6:14
PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Brogan,
Lendsley Francis (I78513)
Proposed Change: Brogan, Lendsley Francis (I78513)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I78513&tree=MP
Description: Still born son
BROGAN (nee Edith Eileen Eyles).-November 22, 1914, at their residence, Wimmera,
40 Todman-avenue, Kensington, the wife of Lendesly Francis Brogan-a son
(stillborn).
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) Sat 5 Dec 1914 Page 12
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
From:
Warwick
Sent: Monday, 27 November 2017 5:26
PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Brogan,
Lendsley Francis (I78513)
Proposed Change: Brogan, Lendsley Francis (I78513)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I78513&tree=MP
Description: Probable marriage
14363/1913
BROGAN LENDESBY F
EYLES EDITH E
RANDWICK
Child
BROGAN GEORGE J 6608/1916 LENDESLY F EDITH E RANDWICK
BROGAN GEORGE JAMES : Service Number - NX144481 : Date of birth - 28 Apr 1916 :
Place of birth - SYDNEY NSW : Place of enlistment - BATHURST NSW : Next of Kin -
BROGAN LENDSLEY
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
MURPHY
From:
Warwick
Sent: Monday, 27 November 2017 10:27
AM
Subject: Proposed Change: Murphy, Ellen
(I78448)
Proposed Change: Murphy, Ellen (I78448)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I78448&tree=MP
Description: Death of Old Bunyan Resident
As previously reported, the death of Mrs. Ellen Brogan, of Bunyan, took place on
18th inst., her age being 84 years. Deceased was the widow of the late Mr. James
Brogan. The funeral took place at the Rose Valley cemetery, the Rev. Dr.
O'Donnell of Adaminaby officiating in the absence of the Very Rev. Dean Norris.
The pall bearers were Messrs. F. Rowson, J. Murphy, F. Robinson and W. Power.
The survivors are, daughters, Mesdames M. J. Ashworth, Mascot, and Harcourt,
Bunyan ; and sons, Mesdames Bernard of Bunyan, Len and Edward, Queanbeyan,
Victor, Annandale, and H. Brogan of Berry. The deceased was born at Collector,
and coincidentally died on the 16th anniver sary of her husband's demise.
Wreaths were from : Mr. and Mrs. John Murphy and family, Mr. and Mrs. L.
Constance, Misses Marge and Edna Rowson, Mr. and Mrs. T A. Huggett. Miss A.
Miners, Harnett family, Homeleigh, Mr. and Mrs. W. Tozer, Rosebrook, Mr. and
Mrs. Frank Rowson, Mr. and Mrs. F. J. Robinson, Mr. and Mrs. O. Tozer.
Manaro Mercury, and Cooma and Bombala Advertiser (NSW : 1862 - 1931), Monday 26
October 1931, page 2
Warwick
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
BRIGHT
From:
Sharon Gould.
Sent: Sunday, 26 November 2017 9:19
PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Bright, Albert
Charles (I176895)
Proposed Change: Bright, Albert Charles (I176895)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I176895&tree=MP
Description: BRIGHT ALBERT CHARLES 10041/1875 No Father ELIZABETH COOMA
THOMPSON CHARLES A 10041/1875 No Father ELIZABETH COOMA
Please note that he has to Birth records File Number are the same as you can
see.. Charles Is my Great Grand Father.
Charles Albert Thompson
1875–1952
BIRTH ABT. 1 JAN 1875 • Cooma, New South Wales, Australia
DEATH 22 JAN 1952 • Picton, New South Wales, Australia
Name: Charles Albert Thompson
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Ann Lee
Marriage Place: Tasmania
Registration Place: Tasmania
Registration Year: 1906
Elizabeth Ann Lee
1890–1970
BIRTH 20 APR 1890 • Lefroy, Tasmania
DEATH 24 MAR 1970 • Camden, New South Wales, Australia
Regards Sharon Gould
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
LEECOUNT
From:
Bernard Wall
Sent: Sunday, 26 November 2017 10:16
AM
Subject: Comments (Leecount, Samuel b.
1840 Nimmitabel, New South Wales d. 2 Feb 1910 Goulburn, New South Wales)
Comments (Leecount, Samuel b. 1840 Nimmitabel, New South Wales d. 2 Feb 1910
Goulburn, New South Wales): Are you able to supply any contact details for this
Leecount family? I have a relative listed in this family and would very much
like to make contact. Thank you.
Bernie Wall
Hi Bernard,
Sorry, we have no contact information for this family. I suggest you put
your request on our Facebook page.
Regards, Ian
THOMPSON
From:
Janice Ritchie
Sent: Saturday, 25 November 2017
6:34 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Thompson,
Robert Chipp (I187114)
Proposed Change: Thompson, Robert Chipp (I187114)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I187114&tree=MP
Description: I propose that Robert Chipp THOMPSON is NOT the man who married
Helen HOLLAND.
Robert Chipp THOMPSON's death certificate mentions only one wife, Jane SEWELL.
I believe Helen married Robert THOMPSON who was born c.1832 and died January 23
1882 at Bunyan near Cooma.
His death notice says he left a wife and 2 children, which matches the children
Helen had at the time. I also believe she was pregnant at the time he died.
She married John LECOUNT 2 years later in 1884 under the name HOLLAND.
Death.
THOMPSON.— On January 23rd at his residence, Governor's Hill, near Banyan, Mr.
Robert Thompson, aged 49 years,
leaving an affectionate wife and two children to mourn their loss.
COOMA AND B0MBALA ADVERTISER.
Published at Cooma Saturday, 4th February, 1882.
Also, Jane SEWELL THOMPSON had another child in 1871. Doesn't make sense that
Robert Chipp THOMPSON is the man that Helen married.
Janice Ritchie
Thank you Janice,
Regards, Ian
SPROATS/BARBER
From:
Shirley Ann Sproats
Sent: Monday, 20 November 2017 4:47
PM
Subject: [SPAM] Sproats/Barber
Hello Ian
I meant to reply sooner to the contribution and queries of Gary McKinnon re the
above but somehow overlooked until now.
Gary was looking for the birth details of his ancestor, Charlotte Barber and her
daughter Ann Elizabeth Sproats – but on a further read he has now found them on
the MP site. I believe I supplied that information. I have Charlotte born in
Bega on 10 April 1863 and dying at 153 Enmore Rd, Enmore on 30 Aug 1914 with
daughter, Ann Elizabeth Sproats born 10 August 1883 at Wapengo near Bega.
Also, it is interesting that Gary too found the article from a memorial service
held in the honour of Christopher Sproats that he was a Crimean veteran and had
three brothers killed in the Indian mutiny. I have tried to research this “fact”
and must get back to it. I have done a lot of research back into England about
the Sproats’ ancestors and that is contained in a book I published on the
Sproats – I can’t find the burial records for 2 of Christopher’s brothers with a
question mark still over a 3rd so at this stage these might be the 3 brothers!
There is a chapter on Obadiah and Charlotte in the Sproats’ book. Please give
Gary my email details.
I have been busy the past couple of years researching and writing a book on the
Hergenhan of Bega from which I am descended – a Hergenhan married a Sproats. I
have had wonderful research done by a professional in Germany that is
incorporated into the book. I am hoping to publish early next year.
Thank you for the ongoing dedication to the MP site – it is simply wonderful.
Best wishes, Shirley Sproats
Thank you Shirley, I have copied Gary on this email and hope your connection is
fruitfull.
Regards, Ian
Hello Shirley (and thank you Ian for Shirley's contact)
When I found the MP site a few months ago I had a lot more information to digest
with that of my own. It was a welcome piece of new knowledge and thanks to
yourself and other contributors to the site. It filled in a few gaps and taught
me a lot about life in those times (eg as a Gold Miner in Hill End where I have
been before) and in the families movements. I have Charlotte and Annie's
details now and that was my main mission but discovered all the extras of their
ancestors thanks to MP/yourself. I would be pleased if you wanted to share any
further Sproats/Barber information. I have been told stories of Obadiah gambling
the family house away and leaving Charlotte and the children to fend for
themselves. Obadiah went to NZ to work as I have postcards written to Annie by
him but not sure why he went there. I think it was after Charlotte had died.
Anyhow any new information would be much appreciated.
regards, gary
POWER
From:
Denise Crook
Sent: Saturday, 18 November 2017
2:37 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Power, Mary
Ann (I83036)
Proposed Change: Power, Mary Ann (I83036)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I83036&tree=MP
Description: I've discovered an error in the death of Mary Ann Kingston nee
Power
Mary is my great grandmother and I have a copy of her death certificate
Are you able to rectify?
Denise Crook
Thank you Denise, your request change has been made.
Regards, Ian
CRABTREE
From:
Michelle
Sent:
Thursday, 16 November 2017 1:10 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Crabtree,
Aubrey Whitworth (I222573)
Proposed Change: Crabtree, Aubrey Whitworth (I222573)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I222573&tree=MP
Description: Hi Ian,
Aubrey's death was registered in Queensland in 1982.
(QLD death index 1982/3141)
Cheers, Michelle
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
MINERS
From:
Michelle
Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2017
12:56 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Miners,
Osborne (I63784)
Proposed Change: Miners, Osborne (I63784)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I63784&tree=MP
Description: Hi Ian,
I note BDM NSW states the christian name as "Osborne" but the death notice and
electoral rolls of the day state "Oswald". BDM entries for his marriage and the
death of a son, also note "Oswald"
His wife, Enid, passed away 25 June 1990 at Gwynneville NSW aged 69 years.
MINERS Oswald Death notice 02MAY2006 Death 92 late of Gwynneville
Illawarra Mercury 03MAY2006
MINERS, Oswald (Ossie). _ May 2, 2006. Peacefully at a nursing home of
Gwynneville. Beloved husband of the late Enid. Loved father and father-in- law
of *, * and *, * and *, *and *, *. Dear Pop to his 9 grandchildren and 8 great
grandchildren. Loved brother of Grace (deceased), Myrtle (deceased), Lionel
(deceased), Ida and their families. Ossie will be sadly missed by his family and
friends. Aged 92 years "Gone for a haircut" Relatives and friends are invited to
attend Ossie's funeral to be held in The Chapel, Lakeside Memorial Park,
Kanahooka Road, Dapto on THURSDAY at 2.00pm. Following the service the funeral
will proceed into the adjoining cemetery.
Cheers, Michelle
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
PARKER
From:
Les
Sent: 2017-11-08 9:47 PM
Subject: [SPAM] Archibald Parker
My name is Les Parker and looking at my Father’s birth certificate I see
that his father was Archibald Parker and was born in Cooma NSW. I would like to
see if he is a descendant of the early pioneers
He did move to Walgett where my father was born in 1917. Hope you can steer me
in the right direction
Les Parker
Hi Les,
Your father’s family are listed in our database which you are able to search
free of charge.
Regards, Ian
MARTIN
From:
Leonie Odell
Sent: Monday, 13 November 2017 3:44
PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Martin, P.N.
(I204902)
Proposed Change: Martin, P.N. (I204902)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I204902&tree=MP
Description: Peter Neville Martin born Bombala 25 July 1937 died 6 August 2017.
Married Marlene Ann Ingram (daughter of Florence Kathleen and Arthur Charles
John Ingram) 20 December 1958 in Delegate.
Leonie Odell
Thank you Leonie,
The Norwood Park Crematorium website shows he died Aug 25th.
Regards, Ian
JEFFS
From:
janielle bryan
Sent: Monday, 13 November 2017 8:52
AM
Subject: Proposed Change: Family: Jeffs,
William Horace James / Edmonds, Dinah Jane
Proposed Change: Family: Jeffs, William Horace James / Edmonds, Dinah Jane
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/familygroup.php?familyID=F146351&tree=MP
Description: there is a child missing from this family. her name is Phyllis
Doreen jeffs. you have her listed but not connected to her family. her mother is
Edmonds, Dinah Jane and her father is Jeffs, William Horace James she was born
in murrurundi on the 2nd April 1922. she died in queanbeyan 6th june 1991. here
is a link to her listing
http://www.monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I196477&tree=MP
janielle bryan
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
RIVERS
From:
David Rivers
Sent: Friday, 10 November 2017 3:41
PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Rivers,
William Edward (I112322)
Proposed Change: Rivers, William Edward (I112322)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I112322&tree=MP
Description: William
Edward Rivers re-married on 30 May, 1929 at Cootamundra to Edith Meale.
They has 3 children -
Nola Anne Rivers - DOB - 18/4/1930 DOD - 13/4/1996;
Keith Richard Rivers - DOB - 21/9/1931 DOD 30/7/2017 and Shirley June
Rivers - DOB - 18/6/36 DOD - 18/9/1994.
David Rivers
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
RIVERS
From:
David Rivers
Sent: Friday, 10 November 2017 3:36
PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Rivers, Stella
(I300743)
Proposed Change: Rivers, Stella (I300743)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I300743&tree=MP
Description: Hi, Stella Rivers date of death is 3 September, 2000 at
Denhams Beach, NSW.
David Rivers
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
FLEMING
From:
Frances Ingram
Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2017 9:50
AM
Subject: Delegate Station - the Fleming
Reminiscences
Hi Ian
Just to say that I would like to contact Charles Jefferies if possible.
The document he is referring to is what I've called "The Fleming / McKay
Reminiscences". The original data was collected by Henry Edwards of
Burnima from Thomas Fleming (not sure of the date, late 19C, I believe, as he
was living at my g.g. grandfather's at the time). It's a (more or less)
primary source, and actually very useful in local history as most of the facts
are verifiable ... as long as you mentally eliminate the "1833" date. So,
it's not "amendable" as such, being a document in its own right.
The "1833" date comes from the fact that Fleming arrived at Bukalong with Duncan
MacFarlane in that year, so for him the "beginning of the Monaro" = 1833.
I have, however, found further primary evidence that this date is actually
correct for Tombong, and in some ways, Delegate.
This has left me in a bit of a dilemma, as it's now quite unclear as to who
actually established Delegate Station; previously, it was assumed that the
information in Claire Schofield's book, Bombala Hub of the Southern Monaro
(which she partly took from Fleming) was correct. However, with this new
evidence, it would seem that someone else, probably James Ainslie, was
responsible for the first settlement at Delegate, not James MacFarlane, John
McLaren & Charles Wright as previously imagined. I'm not disputing the
1827 - 8 date for the establishment of Delegate, just who actually did the
establishing. It can't have been "MacFarlane, McLaren & Wright" as
"Wright" was not in the Colony at the time.
I will be presenting this new evidence at a talk / outing which is being held by
the Bombala Historical Society in November on the history of Tombong.
Cheers & thanks for the amazing resource you maintain,
Frances Ingram
Hi Frances,
We don’t have the email address you want as the original message was sent to
Maureen McGee. I have included her address so that you can contact her and
hopefully Charles Jennings as a result.
Regards, Ian
Dear Maureen
Early History of
the Bombala End of the Monaro District
I came across the information you submitted about the Monaro District on this
site. http://www.monaropioneers.com/properties/index.htm
I found it fascinating. I know many of the stations and properties very well. I
was born on Delegate Station in 1949. My family are decended from Robert
Campbell, who settled it.
I just wanted to let you know that the dates of acquisition of Delegate Station
you list – when it was ‘taken up by Merchant Campbell’ - are not correct. The
original homestead (which is still maintained) was built in 1827. Campbell sent
stock to Delegate from his properties on the Limestone Plains (Canberra) for
summer pasture. The full story of Delegate is detailed in 'The Spirit of Wharf
House’ by Charles Newman (Angis & Robertson 1961). There are also some details
here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delegate,_New_South_Wales
Kind regards, Charles Jennings
Thank you Maureen,
Regards, Ian
HOGAN
From:
Richard Upston
Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2017 9:29
AM
Subject: Proposed Change: Hogan, Edward
(I321823)
Proposed Change: Hogan, Edward (I321823)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I321823&tree=MP
Description: My mother is listed as Anne I Turner, a child of Edmund Turner and
Annie Hogan, born in Braidwood in 1910. All of my records, including her
marriage certificate, show her as Irene Anne Turner, not Anne I Turner, born 8th
April 1910. Mum married Richard Arthur Upston on 25th January 1936 in Campsie
and she died 11th May 1980 at Kogarah NSW. She is buried at the General Lawn
Cemetry, Woronora, NSW. I have all the relevant certificates if you would like
copies to verify the above.
Richard Upston
Thank you Richard,
Yes we would certainly appreciate copies of any certificates you can provide.
Regards, Ian
CHALKER
From:
eileen sawaid
Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2017 7:07
AM
Subject: Proposed Change: Chalker, I.
(I298898)
Proposed Change: Chalker, I. (I298898)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I298898&tree=MP
Description: Ivy married walter alfred basil chappell in 1939 and they had 2
boys walter died in 1976 and then she went on to marrie colin thomas bewick anh
she past away in 2004 in port macquire.
i have a copy of walters death cert if you need.
eileen sawaid
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
POOLEY
From:
Kristine Howard
Sent: Sunday, 5 November 2017 11:35
AM
Subject: Proposed Change: Pooley, Lewis
Edward (I317662)
Proposed Change: Pooley, Lewis Edward (I317662)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I317662&tree=MP
Description: To add this link re Edward's War Service:
This booklet is the available story of
It has been compiled by the Braidwood RSL Sub-branch.
Kristine Howard
Thank you,
Regards, Ian