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January 2010

New files & updates:

The following files have been compiled from the new Monaro Pioneers database. Some of these files may contain additional research undertaken by Ian Harvey. This is not the usual format because this activity was undertaken whilst I was away from my normal computer. Normal activity has now resumed.

Mitchell, Edward

Coffey, Michael

Thorp, George

Newlyn, William

Hoffman, Nicholas

Bray, Thomas

Grant, Henry

McLeod, Donald

McLeod, John

Robertson, Charles

Whitby, John

Kirkland, Henry James

Love, John

O'Mara, Denis

O'Mara, Timothy

Rixon, James

Underhill, Thomas

Warburton, Thomas William

Mealing, James

Koellner, Georg Nicholas

Brown, William

Elliott, William

Fraser, William Thomas

Hain, James

Hawkins, Peter

Mould, George Yonge

Mould, Ron

Reynolds, Archibald

Rose, Reuben U B

Watkins, John

De Costa, George

Kelly, Thomas

Scanes, William

Webb, Mary Anne

Smith, Charles

McDonald, Dugald

Rankin, Donald

Umback, John

Venables, Thomas

Lewis, George

Kemp, Henry Gibson

Samuel Holmes - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by Allan Spindler [allanj54-at-gmail.com].

http://www.monaropioneers.com/Holmes-Samuel.htm

Joseph Hostler Worland - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by Allan Spindler [allanj54-at-gmail.com].

http://www.monaropioneers.com/Worland-jh.htm

John Crawford - Replacement file - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by Allan Spindler [allanj54-at-gmail.com].

http://www.monaropioneers.com/nimmitabel/pioneers/crawford-pa.htm

Vincent John Kaufline - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by Glenys Williams [glenys-at-newenglandtravel.com.au].

http://www.monaropioneers.com/kaufline-vj.htm

John Power - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by Glenys Williams [glenys-at-newenglandtravel.com.au].

http://www.monaropioneers.com/power-john.htm

Charles Smith - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by Glenys Williams [glenys-at-newenglandtravel.com.au].

http://www.monaropioneers.com/smith-c.htm

Leonard Holzhauser - Replacement file - http://www.monaropioneers.com/holzhauser-l.htm

Edward Turner - New file - http://www.monaropioneers.com/Turner-Edward.htm

Stephen Kerrison - Replacement file - http://www.monaropioneers.com/kerrison-s.htm

Andrew Hartigan Tyrie - Replacement file - http://www.monaropioneers.com/tyrie_andrewH.htm

John Glennan - Replacement file - http://www.monaropioneers.com/Glennan_John.htm

William Inskip - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by Peter Dabelstein [ardenpet-at-optusnet.com.au].

http://www.monaropioneers.com/Inskip-w.htm

George Keevers - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by Peter Dabelstein [ardenpet-at-optusnet.com.au].

http://www.monaropioneers.com/Keevers-w.htm

Richard Brooks - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by Liz Macqueen [LMacqueen-at-advantageline.com.au].

http://www.monaropioneers.com/Brooks-richard.htm

Thomas Greer - Replacement file - http://www.monaropioneers.com/greer_thomas.htm

William Law - New file - with some additional information supplied by John Law [pam.john.law-at-bigpond.com].

http://www.monaropioneers.com/Law-William.htm

Daniel Tindal - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by Margaret Baker [mabaker-at-bold.net.au].

http://www.monaropioneers.com/tindalld.htm

Charles Robinson - Replacement file - http://www.monaropioneers.com/Robinson-c.htm

James Rixon - Replacement file - http://www.monaropioneers.com/rixon-j.htm

John Love - Replacement file - http://www.monaropioneers.com/Love-john.htm

John Williams Snr - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by Wendy Everett [lweverett-at-netspace.net.au].

http://www.monaropioneers.com/williamsj.htm

Edward Williams - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by Wendy Everett [lweverett-at-netspace.net.au].

http://www.monaropioneers.com/williams-e.htm

James Hutchison - Replacement file - http://www.monaropioneers.com/nimmitabel/pioneers/hutchison-j.htm

Daniel Sheehan - Replacement file - http://www.monaropioneers.com/Sheehan-Daniel.htm

Announcements:

To all Monaro Pioneers Newsletter readers,

Happy New Year to all and the team hope it is a safe and prosperous one for you all.

As you may know, last year we undertook the task of identifying all WW1 enlistees who were either born or enlisted or had some family connection with the Eden/Monaro region. This was a most valuable exercise and not only established a valuable record of all those who served but also helped make many more connections in the MP database. It is an ongoing exercise with individuals still being found.

During a casual email conversation with one of our contributors, the topic arose regarding the WW2 equivalent to our ANZAC list. The gentleman concerned (name withheld at his request - he being a very humble but generous and helpful person) indicated that he had experience with the NAA and AWC databases and could suggest methods to use in extracting the WW2 enlistees information by location. I thought what a great idea and when can it happen? Naturally, my daily schedule is booked for only 23 hours a day so I thought *&%$! when I could I do it?

Subsequently, this man has volunteered to identify and transcribe all the WW2 enlistees from the Monaro area so that we can include that information in our database and ultimately produce a similar list to that for WW1. I am sure you will appreciate that this task is quite substantial and for someone to volunteer their time and effort to undertake it has to be admired and we are very grateful.

The project is well underway with the locations of Adaminably, Berridale, Bibbenluke and Boggy Plain already completed. Bombala is next.

I am also checking each individual I process now against the WW2 nominal rolls and as such have added a substantial number of WW2 enlistees from the Bega/Eden and other outlying areas. At last count we have over 1320 individuals identified.

This service information will be added to those individual's records concerned as "Military Service" events.

Already, the WW2 information has enabled many new connections to be found and new families added to our database. If you were not already aware, the WW2 Nominal Roll does include full DOB which is accurate if the Enlistee was honest, some did falsify their ages in order to serve.

If any of you are interested, we could also use a volunteer(s) to do the same process for the Bega/Eden/Moruya, Queanbeyan and Tumut areas. I can assist to get you started.

I have also added to the MP database all the individuals with births registered in 1909 in the registration districts of Bega, Bombala, Cooma and Eden (many of whom enlisted in WW2). Some we already knew, but many are new and new family connections have resulted. I would recommend you use the database search as your first choice for research because I have not had the time to republish all affected webpages and will not do so now until the WW2 project is completed, at least for the Monaro area. This will involve republishing each separate descendant report we display in order to fully synchronise all families again. With over 1075 currently published pages, this is a substantial task and one I need to steel myself for.

I am sure you will agree this new project is an exciting and worthy addition to our database.

If you know of any relatives who served in WW2, please let me know so that we can add their service record, particularly for those individuals who were born outside the Monaro region.

Best regards,

Ian Harvey

Onwards and upwards.

Current correspondence:

From: Grant Flanagan
Sent: Saturday, 30 January 2010 1:28 AM
Subject: Pioneers Project - Mary Ann BURKE

Hi
Having a nose through the file on rootsweb and noticed Mary Ann Burke born 1853 to John Burke/Catherine Donoghue,she married Michael Kellahan(Kelliham) 1861 in Cooma,this would have her married at the age of 8. Do you think maybe she could be the Mary A.Burke born 1842(V1842781 145/1842) in Parramatta to a John and Catherine,this would bring her age into line with her marriage date
Regards, Grant Flanagan

Hi Grant,

Thanks for bringing that to my attention, I will rectify our records.

Regards, Ian

From: Dianne Ancill
Sent: Friday, 29 January 2010 10:35 PM
Subject: Ettie Robina Brinsmead

Hello Ian,

I was looking at your website & noticed you had Ettie Robina Brinsmead there. I can tell you she was born in 1883 in Geelong, Victoria. Ettie is a distant cousin to me, her grandfather Henry Brinsmead is the older brother of my great, great, great grandfather William Brinsmead & her grandmother Betsy Brinsmead is the older sister of my great, great, great granmother Ann Brinsmead (2 brothers married sisters).

Hope this helps you, Dianne Ancill

Hi Dianne,

Thank you for the information.

Regards, Ian

From: Maree [mailto:maree@iseekin.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 29 January 2010 11:02 AM
Subject: Sheehan family

Hi there ..

I have come across your website about the Monaro pioneers...

My interest is the SHEEHAN family. I have been researching the Sheehans from Bega/Shoalhaven area .. and have hit a bit of a stumbling block. I noticed you have a Daniel Sheehan on your site ... he died in Bega in 1928... Son of Daniel Sheehan and Norah ?

I am wondering if you could help me please to find out the father Daniel's relations...

My link is with the family of Sheehans who arrived on the Duchess of Northumberland in 1851, and settled in Bega/Shoalhaven areas. Hoping you can help me please ..

Regards, Maree Larsen

Hi Maree,

I have updated our site with a bit more information that might help you. I don't think we have any Sheehan's in our database from the Bega area who arrived on the Duchess of Northumberland. Perhaps you may wish to add that family to our project?

Regards, Ian

From: Elizabeth Fortescue

Sent: Friday, 29 January 2010 4:28 PM

Subject: Addition to Osmond family tree re Fromelles Battle

Dear Ian,

The remains of my great-uncle Private Lionel Egbert Clement OSMOND, known always in the family as "Robert", have been found in the archaeological dig at Pheasant Wood in France, where they have lain undisturbed since he was killed nearby, at the Battle of Fromelles, on 19-20 July 1916, and buried by the Germans. My aunt has been informed by the Australian Defence Force that a DNA match has been obtained. Previously, Robert has just been one name among many on a cenotaph; but his remains can now be properly interred with his mates, under an individual headstone, in the new graveyard which is being built at the battle site. Robert was born in Kiandra in 1891, the eldest son of George Osmond and his wife, Fanny (Venables) Osmond. You may wish to add this information to the Osmond/Venables family trees.

With best wishes for 2010, Stephen Gibbes.

Hi Stephen,

Thanks for the information.

Regards, Ian

From: Bushie
Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 1:21 AM
Subject: Sarah Kirkland

I am researching Minna Rubie Kirkland and my records show that her sister was Sarah Kirkland (married James Watterston). I have been unable to find any record of Minna before her marriage to Ernest Edward Estreich, in 1904. I am wondering if you would have any information on the rest of the family. I have her mother as Eliza Ann Kirkland (nee Campbell) and father as Henry Kirkland. Henry died in 1873 while Minna was born in 1882.

Thanking You, Anne Cocking

Hi Anne,

Sorry we have no information on this person. Sounds like she was either adopted or was a grandchild probably born to one of the daughters of Henry and Eliza Ann out of wedlock (possibly Sarah). You could try this link for information on the Kirkland family.... http://www.monaropioneers.com/Kirkland-HenryJ.htm

Regards, Ian

From: Sam Kennedy

Date: 01/26/10 11:21:23

Subject: Monaro Pioneers correction

Hi Patrick

I was looking at your James Hutchison descendent information (very good and extremely thorough) and I was extremely impressed.There is an error but one that you aren't the first to have. From James Hutchison you had his son John Hutchison and he had a daughter Florence Hutchison....all good up to this point. This is where the problem is.

Florence did not marry Joseph William Kennedy, son of Alexander and Sarah Kennedy, she married Joseph Thomas Kennedy (as per the death certificate of Victor Ernest Daniel Kennedy), son of Michael and Margret ?Feeney? (from what I could tell). When you know this it is then easy to find Joseph Thomas Kennedy death certificate and his birth details. I've provided a link to my web site showing the details for Joseph Thomas Kennedy and also available there is a copy of his death certificate which shows clearly he was married to Florence Hutchison and was my great-great-grandfather. All relevant information is on his death certificate. I have viewed his birth registration on microfiche.

http://www.samadam.id.au/familytree/index.php?title=Joseph_Thomas_Kennedy

Thank you for your website. One more thing: you do know that John Hutchison was a carpenter at the time he married Jannet Kerr and they got married at Lanyon Homestead (http://www.museumsandgalleries.act.gov.au/lanyon/) and Jannet's parents were Robert and Martha not Mary (that kind of looked like a typo) based upon her death certificate. Tweedie was a nickname.

I suppose there are other things but I think you have done such a fantastic job I'll leave it at that. Thanks for confirming Margaret Hutchison being on the same boat with James Hutchison. I wasn't quite sure. I found you while trying to work out the Nymagee information. I think Michael Kennedy was in Nymagee but I'm not sure when he died and I don't think you can help me. Just checked... no you can't.

r. Sam Kennedy

Thank you for letting us know.

Regards, Ian

From: Wendy Everett
Sent: Wednesday, 27 January 2010 9:13 PM
Subject: Edward Williams / Mary Ann Rawson - Joseph Williams

Dear Ian,

My name is Wendy Everett and I am Joseph Williams Great Grand-daughter. I am the grand daughter of his eldest daughter, Mary. I have been completing my research re Joseph Williams and his wife Agnes and their children. I have noticed that monaro pioneers website has a little information on Joseph and Agnes and that some of that information is also incorrect.

This is some of the information that I have. Please let me know if you need anymore details. Great job on the website by the way. It has been a great help.

Regards, Wendy

Family of Joseph John Williams (son of Edward Williams and Mary Ann Rawson)

Joseph John Williams born 21^st of October 1876 in Bald Hill, New South Wales, Australia.

Died 6^th of January 1937 in Geelong, Victoria. Buried in Geelong Eastern Cemetery.

Married Agnes Taylor on the 27^th of January 1913 in Victoria.

Agnes Taylor was born 1887 in Wandong, Victoria.

She died on the 30^th of October, 1971 in Geelong, Vic. Buried in Geelong Eastern Cemetery.

Joseph and Agnes had 8 children:

1. Mary Ann Williams:

Mary was born 11 January, 1914 in Avenel, Vic.

Married Norman Blackney on the 27^th June, 1936 In Geelong, Vic.

They had 10 children.

Mary died 16^th of October 1950 in Geelong, Victoria. Buried Geelong Eastern Cemetery.

2. Sarah Olive Williams:

Known as “Olive”, she was born 2 January 1916 in Murchison, Victoria.

Married William John Charles Vale on the 20^th of November 1937 in Geelong, Vic.

They had 3 children.

Olive died 10^th of Sept 1990 in Geelong, Victoria. Buried Geelong Eastern Cemetery.

3. Alice Alma Williams:

Alice was born 30^th of December 1918 in Longwood, Victoria.

Married Joseph Michael James Maher on the 24^th of April 1940 in Geelong, Vic.

They had 2 children.

Alice died 19^th of August 1998 in Geelong, Vic. Buried Geelong Eastern Cemetery.

4. Thomas Edward Williams:

Tom was born on the 8^th of February 1919 in Longwood, Vic.

Married Mavis Dorothy Johnson on the 17^th of February 1939 in Geelong, Vic.

They had 3 children.

Tom died 17^th of October 1978 in Geelong, Victoria. Buried Geelong Eastern Cemetery.

5. Beatrice Maisie Williams:

Known as “Maisie”, she was born on the 10^th of February 1920 in Longwood, Vic.

Married Thomas Charles Grayson on in April 1942 in Geelong, Vic.

They had 3 children.

Maisie died 24^th of May 1989 in Geelong, Vic. (Cremated.)

6. Lorna Mavis Williams:

Born 2^nd of November 1921 in Geelong, Victoria.

Died 11^th of January 1924 in Geelong, Vic. Buried Geelong Eastern Cemetery. (She was 2 years old.)

7. Charles Joseph Williams:

Born 14^th of April 1923 in Geelong, Victoria.

Died 11^th of January 1924 in Geelong, Vic. Buried Geelong Eastern Cemetery. (He was 8 months old).

8. Linda Grace Williams:

Linda was born 8^th of May 1925 in Geelong, Victoria.

She married Alfred Maxwell (Max) Rawson on the 18^th of January 1947 in Geelong, Vic... They had no biological children but raised her eldest sister Mary’s youngest son (nephew) and then that son’s two chidren (grand niece and nephew).

Linda died 10^th of January 2004 in Geelong, Victoria. Cremated and buried at Geelong Western Cemetery.

Hi Wendy,

Thank you for the information and kind words, our website has now been rectified.

Regards, Ian

From: Carolyn Mulhall
Sent: Tuesday, 26 January 2010 4:24 PM
Subject: Monaro Pioneers

Dear Ian
I contacted you a few weeks ago regarding the Henry Chapman site and was going to send you some further information regarding the family of Amos Herbert Robinson and Ethel Grace Chapman. I have been ill with some dreadul flu thing for a few weeks but will get around to this. In the meantime, I have been looking at the site and discovered that Amos' grandmother was Susannah Tindall and his grandfather was Robert Williams. On these pages there is mention of a publication regarding the First Fleeters by C Baxter. I tried to email Ms Baxter but the email comes back to me. I wanted to enquire if the publication was still available. Perhaps you could help me in this regard.

One of Amos and Ethel's sons, Leo, had a daughter, Lynette, who married Dennis Grant. What is the saying? Six degrees of separation. Your wife is a blood relative of mine, albeit a long way back. This is so fascinating.
Regards, Carolyn

Hi Carolyn,

One of our newsletter readers may know if the publication is still available.

Regards, Ian

From: Nicola Wakefield Evans

Sent: 2010-01-26 18:09

Subject: Monaro Pioneers Newsletter

I have just discovered this fantastic site as I am assisting my father Robert Henry Evans research his family tree. His grandparents were Eliza Jane Taylor, Robert William Rood, Sophia Jane Day and Henry Benjamin Sydney Evans. We have found fantastic information about all of these families. One mystery we are keen to understand is the name change in the Rood family from "Rodd" to "Rood" and why that happened.

Kind regards, Nicola

Hi Nicola,

Sorry, we don't know the reason why there was a name change unfortunately. You say one of your father's grandparents names was Eliza Jane Taylor, the only reference I could find to a second given name on the BDM records was Mary. Can I assume Jane is correct from family records?

Regards, Ian

From: Athol Lamont
Sent: Tuesday, 26 January 2010 1:51 AM
Subject: Mary Blanche Cullen (located in George H Meaker pioneer data)

29. William Meaker (John², George¹) was born in 1861 in Eden, NSW,³⁵ died on December 20, 1935 in Waverley, NSW³⁶ at age 74, and was buried on December 23, 1935 in Rookwood Cemetery, NSW.

Notes: William's birth was recorded as Maker. William and Blanche were married in the Anglican vicarage in Bega. They lived in Bega and Tweed Heads where William worked as a carrier and line repairer.

William married Mary Blanche Cullen, daughter of Unknown and Mary Cullen, on July 13, 1885 in Bega, NSW.²⁶⁶ Blanche was born in 1864 in Braidwood, NSW, died on August 17, 1918 in Bega, NSW²⁶⁷ at age 54, and was buried on August 18, 1918 in Cobargo Cemetery, NSW Catholic section. She was usually called Blanche.
Mary Blanche Cullen was born in Braidwood Gaol on the 3^rd May 1864 (from her birth certificate).

Thanks,

Regards, Ian

From: Travis Thomas
Sent: Monday, 25 January 2010 11:37 AM
Subject:

Ian Harvey, Congrats. on an impressive Web site.

My interest is in Janet Wills Hodgkinson who, from your records, married, married William Joseph Collis in 1926 in Waverley, Sydney, She has some distinction in being the granddaughter of Robert Chambers of Dictionary & Encyclopaedia fame. She was born in 1877 in Waterloo, Yorkshire. She married Thomas Hodgkinson in 1899, divorced 1911.

I have had difficulty in finding anything on her after her second marriage. Can you help ?

Travis Thomas

Hi Travis,

Sorry, we have no additional information that could help unfortunately.

Regards, Ian

From: Ange D
Sent: Saturday, 23 January 2010 9:18 PM
Subject: Decendants of Thomas Greer Bombala

Hi Ian,

My name is David Greer and I found the pioneers of The Monaro region by accident. I found Thomas Greer on the pioneer list and realised he was my great grandfather. My grandfather was William J Greer and my father Lawrence James Greer. I noticed a couple of my Uncles were missing from the list of Williams children and was wondering if they could be added. They are Mervyn Charles Greer and Patrick Greer ( cant recall his middle name at the moment) Both were born in Bombala.

Hi David,

Thank you for letting us know, our records have been updated.

Regards, Ian

From: Liz Macqueen

Sent: Saturday, 23 January 2010 8:20 PM
Subject: RE: Captain Richard Brooks of Denham Court

Thank you for your response.

Sorry, I thought this site was for discussion I’m obviously mistaken – my comments and information are not on your website. I’ll keep searing other sites

Kind regards, Liz

Liz, please check again, your comments and information ARE on our site. My comments below meant we do don't have any information not already displayed which could assist you.

You will also notice that you have been recognised for your contributions.

Regards, Ian

Hi Ian,

Hopefully this has fixed the problem.

Hi Liz,

Thank you for the information, all the information we have is already shown on our site.

Regards, Ian

From: Liz Macqueen [mailto:LMacqueen@advantageline.com.au]
Sent: Saturday, 23 January 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: Captain Richard Brooks of Denham Court

Hi Ian,

I am doing work on the Brooks side of my family and it goes back to Captain Richard Brooks of Denham Court . The obvious issue is - was Richard – who married Augusta Sydney Weston - his son, grandson or nephew – or adopted – or none of these.

My husband’s grandfather (on his mother’s side) was Arthur Weston Brooks. He was the son of Arthur Weston Brooks and grandson of Richard Brooks of Gegederick.

My notes suggest that Richard was the son of Captain Brooks and Ann Jamieson. I know he was in fact married to Christiana Passmore but the records state that in his late 40’s he was in Australia between 1810 and 1812 when he sailed back to England (although became shipwrecked). It is possible that Richard is the illegitimate son of Captain Richard Brooks and Ann Jamieson.

My records also suggest that the Captain acquired a vast portfolio of land down the Cooma area. It could be possible that he gave land to Richard and he and his mother moved down there. This might explain a few things such as:

Why he wasn’t mentioned in the will.

Why he was able to travel such a long distance

How he acquired wealth at such an early age.

Anyway, just another theory – I’m keen to find out if you have further information. In the meantime, I can add some information to the genealogy line.

Arthur Weston Brooks born 1844 in Berridale NSW (son of Richard Brooks and Augusta Sydney Weston (as per your notes)

Added info.

Augusta’s parents.

Lieutenant William Frances Weston and Elizabeth Weston (nee Crouch)

Arthur married Isabel Brooks (nee Wild) (twin) (1848 – 1930’s) great grandchild of Henry Kable and Susannah Holmes who were on the first fleet.

They had a child also Arthur Weston Brooks see below:

Arthur Weston Brooks (4.4.1875 -14.9.1963)

Married Eliza Charlotte Brooks (nee Rose) (3.2.1889–29.01.1987).

Parents of Arthur and Eliza Charlotte

Alexander Gordon Rose (22.10.1849 -23.3.1910

Laura Georgina Rose (nee Kater) (27.9.1856 – 2.8.1938)

Children of Arthur Weston Brooks and Eliza Charlotte

Arthur Weston Brooks (25.11.1913 – 9.8.1981)

Keith Weston Brooks (31.12.1916 -11.11.1990)

Marjorie Laura Weston Brooks (22.6.1918 – 4.9.2003)

Neither Keith nor Weston had children but Marjorie had three Shaen Belinda, Roderick Ian and Katherine Brooke. Between them they have 9 grandchildren.

If you woud like all their details I am happy to pass on, just let me know.

Thank you for taking the time to read this correspondence and I look forward to your reply and any information you can help me with.

Kind regards, Liz Macqueen.

Hi Liz,

Your message below seems to have been truncated on the left and is difficult to decipher, could you please resend?

Regards, Ian

From: ackos@westnet.com.au
Sent: Friday, 22 January 2010 10:04 AM
Subject: Fwd: Incorrect info on webite re Person Alice Emily Wright (nee Shaw) B. 7 April 1892

Hi Ian,

I'm a very inexperienced person & mum of two interested in Family history & came upon your Web site by accident I am a decendent of James Rixon & Amelia Goodwin he was my (5)great Grand father. ( James 1, Benjamin 2, James 3, Anne Louisa RIXON 4, Alice Emily SHAW 5, Murial Gladys Louisa WRIGHT 6, Murray EGGINS 7, Susan Gaye ATKINSON 8,)

Alice Emily SHAW was my Great Grand Mother & her details are incorrect. She was born 7 April 1892 & Married Frank WRIGHT (born 9 March 1891) in Bellingen 18 June 1913. They actually had 4 children not 3 (Missing Alice Daphane WRIGHT)

The next part is the correct information Alice Emily Wright (nee Shaw) actually died aged 95, 24 July 1987 at Coffs Harbour nursing Home & is buried at Dorrigo NSW her husband Frank WRIGHT also died at the nursing home of a broken heart 2 Jan 1988 aged 96 & is also buried at Dorrigo where they had lived all there married life.

My Grand mother was Murial Glady's Louisa WRIGHT born 10 July 1916 (died 24 January 1987) who married Malcom EGGINS (born 7 December 1986 at Ulmarra NSW) 12 August 1936 at Bellingen NSW and he died at Grafton hospital 18 Dec 1986. The parent of Malcolm Eggins on your web site are incorrect the correct details are Cecil Harold EGGINS & Elizabeth EGGINS (Nee FIRTH)

They have five children Allan. Stanley, Murray, Kevin & Colleen.

My Dad is Murray EGGINS

I was very fortunate that my Grandfather MAlcom EGGINS had started to write down the family tree & information as I had purcahsed a blank family tree book for my mother as a present when I was about 10

I have a few thousand names & details on a program called Family tree maker 2009 which I am happy to suppy for your clarification before updating your web site as to this branch Alice Emily SHAW of the family tree. I would have to put it to cd as I'm not very computer literate

PLease reply if interested. Regards, Susan Atkinson

Hi Susan,

Thank you for the information, I have corrected our records. Your software program will "export" your information to a Gedcom file which is the simplest and easiest way of exchanging large amounts of information.

Regards, Ian

From: judith nelson
Sent: Friday, 22 January 2010 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: Additional information

Hi Ian,

many thanks for your swift reply. I am most grateful, as I believe the Arthur A is the guy I am looking for. My Grandmother's name was Pauline Victoria Radecka (female form of Radecki), so this should set me onto the correct trail again. Pauline married a miner, called Charles Nelson, after her husband's death, and she had two daughters to him. I will try to track down the death certificate of the grandfather.

Again, many thanks. Judy

Mr Harvey,

I am seeking information about a Harold Feltis, who was my Grandfather, who may have died at Hill Top NSW or Ipswich in Queensland, from pneumonic plague in 1918.

He married my Grandmother, nee Pauline Radecki, in the Methodist Church in Pitt St,Sydney and they had my father, Russell John Feltis, Born 14th April 1915 in Ipswich,Queensland and his brother, Basil who was born after Harold died. My grandmother gave me some information whilst she was alive, that Harold had come from Bombala, was related to the Yelds family and that there was an Aunt Jane and an Emma was mentioned often.However, in your publication, I see names that are familiar from conversations that my Grandmother had with me e.g. Reuben, Olga, Jane, Emma, John etc, but I cannot find the specific Harold. I am also unaware of where he is buried, but would like to trace the history.

Hoping you are able to assist, and thank you in anticipation, Judy Nelson
Hi Judith,

Sorry, we have no record of your Harold Feltis at this time unfortunately. I did find a BDM Index entry for the marriage which shows the groom's name as Arthur H.

6672/1914

FELTIS

ARTHUR H

RADECKA

PAULINE V

HURSTVILLE

This at least gives you a certificate you can acquire to investigate further.

The QLD BDM index has no Feltis deaths at all, so he did not die in QLD before 1964

We do have an Arthur Henry Feltis who was born in Bendoc VIC and registered in Bombala, NSW. He enlisted in the 1st AIF 22/5/1917 and married an English girl in 1919 and brought her back to Australia. This individual could conceivably have married Pauline Radecka in 1914. I am unable to find any divorce entries in the NSW State records Indexes nor any death entry for a Pauline Feltis. Perhaps he abandoned his then family and enlisted in the Army? Seems quite possible if he suddenly "died" around 1917. Judging by the names you quote it is highly likely that Arthur H was your man and switched the Harold to Henry on his enlistment papers to avoid detection.

I recommend you obtain the wedding certificate to see what parental information is contained therein. Your father's birth certificate should also be a good source of information.

I believe Arthur Henry Feltis died in Hamilton near Newcastle, NSW in 1970.

Regards, Ian

From: Nancy Gibb [mailto:ciotach@paradise.net.nz]

Sent: Friday, 22 January 2010 1:40 PM

Subject: The Monaro Pioneers Project - Rootsweb Database

Hello,

I've been exploring your rootsweb database and note a few small discrepancies concerning my DARCHY family. I've attached various Post-it notes where relevant (I hope this is the easiest way for you to correct things).

I have also noted with some surprise that one of the children of Thomas and Susan Darchy has been omitted. As he is the only one some of whose descendants still bear the surname DARCHY, I'd like to give you this information and hope you will incorporate it in the on-line Rootsweb database.

FRANCIS (FRANK) DARCHY

born 21 May 1854 at "Gelam", Lower Murrumbidgee. (Note - many of the other children were also born at "Gelam" but you have somewhat misleadingly recorded them as being born in Gunning, most likely the nearest registry office.)

died 22 Jan 1925 Sydney NSW (NSW death cert. Reg 708/1925).

married 17 Sept 1879 in Melbourne Vic (Reg 2631) Margaret PRENDERGAST, (b 1844 Tuam, Co.Galway, died 14 Oct 1915 North Sydney (Reg 18586)) daughter of Maude identity Henry PRENDERGAST and Mary COSTELLO. (not in your Rootssweb database).

Yours sincerely, Nancy Gibb (great great granddaughter of Thomas and Susan Darchy)

Hi Nancy,

Thank you for the corrective information. The changes have been made to our database and will update overnight.

Regards, Ian Harvey

Monaro Pioneers Database Coordinator

From: Cecilie Mortlock
Sent: Friday, 22 January 2010 12:06 AM
Subject: Sarah Higgs ID: I57424 from Cecilie Mortlock

Attention Ian Harvey Re: ID: I57424
Name: Sarah HIGGS
Given Name: Sarah
Surname: Higgs
Sex: F
Birth: 27 Dec 1842 in Queanbeyan, NSW 1
Baptism: 30 Apr 1843 Church of England, Parish of Queanbeyan, NSW
Death: Y 2 <<< should read NO DEATH RECORD Found

My point can be proven from the below records of Cecilie Mortlock I note that the Sarah Higgs daughter of George Higgs & Sarah Hopkins, noted on the Monaro Pioneers Index should note 2 Baptism records and no Death record as her death is not proven if it has been please get the person who gave you this information to send me or you a copy of her D/C- I have never been able to get a Death record to prove when & where she died as there is a lot of doubt as to what happened to Sarah Higgs:

As Sarah Higgs Baptised twice 1842 & 1843 may have married once giving birth to 2 possibly 3 children to George Roddam or she may have had 3 children out of Wedlock and this is why I have never sent you these records regarding Sarah Higgs as I am trying to prove that a death record has not been found to date:

B/C - V1842143 66/1842 - Sarah Higgs parents George and Sarah. [Birth & Baptism] < Cof E ceremony 30th April 1843 born 27 Dec 1842

B/C - V18431613 27A/1843 - Sarah Higgs parents George and Sarah.[ Baptism] < Catholic ceremony 20th February 1849 born 27 Dec 1842

Baptism [1] - Application 280730/88 BN - NSW Registration of Births, Deaths, and Marriages Act, 1973 - Number 1613 Vol. 27 - CHILD, Christian Name Sarah, When born 27th December, 1842, Date of ceremony 30th April, 1843, Where ceremony performed Parish of Queanbeyan County of Murray, Where registered ---- Parents, Father George Higgs, Mother Sarah Higgs, Abode Queanbeyan, Quality of Profession Shepherd, Sponsors --- By whom the ceremony was performed E. Smith. I, Vernon Mark Bennett, hereby certify that the above is a true copy of particulars recorded in a register of Church of England Baptisms kept by me.

Baptism [2] - Application 280727/88 BN - NSW Registration of Births, Deaths, and Marriages Act, 1973 - Number 143B Vol. 66 - CHILD, Christian Name Sarah, When born 27th December, 1842, Date of ceremony 20th February, 1849, Where ceremony performed Parish of Queanbeyan County of Murray, Where registered ---- Parents, Father George Higgs, Mother Sarah Higgs, Abode Queanbeyan, Quality of Profession Shepherd, by whom the ceremony was performed M Kavanagh, I, Vernon Mark Bennett, hereby certify that the above is a true copy of particulars recorded in a register of Roman Catholic Baptisms kept by me.

From the above 2 records we know that Sarah Higgs the daughter of George Higgs and Sarah Higgs nee Moore/Hopkins during the first seven years of her life was baptised twice, first in 1843 in the Church of England faith, then baptised again in 1849 in the Roman Catholic faith.

Issue

[Child 1]
In 1857 at the age of 15 Sarah Higgs Junior notes her age as 16, she gave birth to a child, that child was named Caroline Higgs. B/C 10563/1857 Notes:

Caroline Higgs mother Sarah, Queanbeyan , NSW. Historical Index. The birth certificate reads:
Caroline Higgs, female, born 8th January, 1857, Dirty Swamp near Queanbeyan, mother surname Higgs, maiden name Higgs, other names Sarah, age 16 years, where born - Molonglo River near Queanbeyan, date of marriage ---, informant Sarah Higgs of Dirty Swamp near Queanbeyan, Sarah signed with her her X Mark - C. Smith District Registrar, Queanbeyan, dated 16th February, 1857 Number 10563 -

[Child 2] B/C - 7481/1870 HIGGS JOHN SARAH BRAIDWOOD
Birth Certificate Registration Number 07481 Date of Birth 7 February 1870, Birth Place - Araluen, Name John - ILLEGITIMATE, Sex Male, Father not Listed, Etc--------, Mother Maiden Name Sarah Higgs, Mother's Birthplace, Queanbeyan, Informant, Sarah Higgs, Mother, Araluen, Accoucheur---, Nurse and. or Witness Mrs Guthrie, Registered 2 March 1870 in Braidwood.

[Child 3] BIRTH George Stephen Higgs;
Registration Number 08222, Date of birth 18 September 1873, Birthplace Newtown, Araleun, George Stephen - ILLEGITIMATE, Sex Male, Father Not listed previous issue not listed Mother Maiden name Sarah Higgs Mothers age 29 Mothers Birthplace Queanbeyan, NSW, Informant Sarah [signed with X Mark, Higgs, Mother, Newtown, Araleun, Accoucheur--- Nurse and /or Witness Mrs Guthrie Registered 27 October 1873, Braidwood.

Or Sarah Higgs may have married George Roddam in 1857 producing 3 children no death record found as yet

Marriage George RODDAM & Sarah HIGGS
Married in 1857 in Molonglo/Queanbeyan.

M/C - - 2543/1857 RODDAM GEORGE HIGGS SARAH QUEANBEYAN
Issue 2 or 3 to George Roddam
B/C - 5484/1859 RODHAM ANN GEORGE SARAH BRAIDWOOD
B/C - 5730/1861 RODDOM ALFRED GEORGE SARAH BRAIDWOOD
Children: Ann (b.1859), Alfred (b.1861) and possibly Edward
B/C - 6736/1865 RODERN EDWARD R GEORGE SARAH BRAIDWOOD

on Alfreds Death Certificate in 1925 it noted mother as Sarah Igges

B/C - 5730/1861 RODDOM ALFRED GEORGE SARAH BRAIDWOOD
D/C - 14727/1925 - Alfred Roddam parents George and Sarah, Albury, NSW< in file Noted father as a Ship Builder mother Sarah Igges

D/C in 1925 of Alfred Roddam born 1861 noted wrong age his death certificate.

Regards Cecilie Mortlock

Hi Cecilie,

Unfortunately, we have no control over how the Rootsweb WorldConnect system displays the information we provide. In this case it has chosen to attached the "MP" source reference to the death tag for Sarah Higgs even though we have no death information for this person. However, I am confident she should be flagged as having died, given her date of birth there is little chance she is still alive. As to the rest of the information, I am unable to add anything further to your extensive research unfortunately.

Regards, Ian

From: Jude
Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2010 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: Farrell

Hi Ian,

Thanks for help, I think we're closing in on Vivian. Yes, I found your Allen/ Alan/ Allan but I put him with Alick & Rita, see attached. What do you think?

I also have Freida (can't find her D) remarried to Colin Mulligan (can't find his B or D) at Bundarra - a close-knit rural community, 582 km north of Sydney and 378 km south-west of Brisbane, on the road between Armidale (88 km to the south-east) Uralla (76 km to the south east) and Inverell (47 km north)

pic of Annie & Freida - let me know if you want jpg copy.

I haven't tackled Electoral rolls yet. However, I have now completed BDM for all RIXON family members I am aware of ...... and found some real doozies.

If you ever want a BDM check, let me know..... I'm confident I've got it if it exists. I've included with every family white for Births/ lemon for Marriages/ blue for Deaths.

Here's a doozy....

B9/2.1. Algie Henry Smith James, (Henry⁴; Julia³; Benjamin²; James¹) born in 1895 at Marrickville [NSW 14310/1895] died in 1974 [NSW 5819/1974] aged 79 years.

He married as Algie Jakobi in 1924 to Ivy Enid Christina Kachel.

Jakobi (German) for James. Kachel: German and Jewish (Ashkenazic): metonymic occupational name for a potter, from Middle High German kachel ‘pot’, ‘earthenware vessel’.

14310/1895	JAMES	ALGIE H S	HENRY H	MAY	MARRICKVILLE
51819/1974	JAMES	ALGIE HENRY SMITH	HENRY HERBERT	MAY
1470/1924	JAKOBI	ALGIE H	KACHEL	IVY E	BOOMI

After convincing myself this was simply a sp. error. another family member pops up with the same name for marriage.....I'm convinced its a religous tradition or somthing... best I can come up with.

B9/5.1. Christian James, (Robert John⁴; Julia³; Benjamin²; James¹) born in 1898 at Wollongong [NSW 17446/1898] died in 1970.

She married as Christina Jakobi in 1924 to Henry Ryall born in 1899 at Orange [NSW 5771/1899] died in 1946 at Wollongong [NSW 14220/1946] aged years, son of John Edmund Ryall and Emily Rebecca.

17446/1898	JAMES	CHRISTIAN	ROBERT J	MARTHA J E	WOLLONGONG
34923/1970	RYALL	CHRISTIAN	ROBERT JOHN	MARTHA JANE E	WOLLONGONG
1992/1924	RYALL	HENRY	JAKOBI	CHRISTINA	WOLLONGONG
5771/1899	RYALL	HENRY	JOHN E	EMILY R	ORANGE
14220/1946	RYALL	HENRY	JOHN EDMUND	EMILY REBECCA	WOLLONGONG

Cheers, Judy

Hi Judy,

Thanks for the extra information, I have the database correct now I hope. I am happy to add any additional photos you think should be displayed but in jpg format please.

Regards, Ian

From: Jude
Sent: Wednesday, 20 January 2010 8:03 PM
Subject: Farrell

Hi Ian.

James Rixon & Farrell families. I believe I've found two extra children - see attached.

Regards,

Judy

Hi Judy,

Well done, I was prompted to relook at the Vivan Leslie Rixon details and I too found an additional child, Allen although his birth date is questionable and was probably later - he most likely lied about his age to join up in WW2.

Looking at the Electoral rolls, Freida is shown as living in Rocky Hall and Vivian in Wyndham, which is possible if that was where Vivian first registered and did not bother to change it. I believe their marriage ended sometime between 1937 and 1941 when Vivian enlisted in the army. Interestingly his nominal roll record shows he gave his mother as NOK. Maybe he abandoned the family?

Freida is shown as living with her son Leslie Charles in 1954 in Bega. If Charles died in Queensland then Freida most probably did too. Check the Rixon page for details.

Regards, Ian

From: rcconstable]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 January 2010 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: Radford/Constable Info etc.

Hi Ian,

I am on a bit of a roll at the moment. Here is some more information for you.

ID: 168424 – Percy RADFORD - born 23 June 1909, Blythe, Tasmania. Died 12 April 1975, Pambula NSW. Buried in Pambula Cemetery. Son of George Frederick Radford, born 16 August 1873, Ulverstone, Tasmania. Died 15 March 1973. Buried Warragul Cemetery, VIC and Mary Edith Howard, born 8 October 1876, Don, Tasmania. Died 5 July 1940, 131 Hoddle St, Abbotsford, VIC. Buried Burwood Cemetery, VIC.

Percy married Lillian WILLIAMS (168425) on the 30 April 1935, St Mary’s Church of England, Morwell, VIC.

ID: 168425 – Lillian WILLIAMS - born 27 July 1913, Gunyah Gunyah near Boolarra, VIC. Died 12 March 1990, Pambula NSW. Buried in Pambula Cemetery. Daughter of James William Williams - born 1875, Glenluce, near Fryerstown, VIC. Died 1946 and Elizabeth de Maris Powell Prout.

ID: 92676 – Marie CONSTABLE was born 12 September 1925, NSW. Died 21 December 2008, NSW. Buried Moruya Cemetery. Daughter of Harry Constable (116617) and Mildred A. Endicott (116609).

ID: 92675 – Alexander James LAMONT was born 3 January 1917, registered in Bega NSW 7237/1917. Died 24 November 1993. Buried Moruya Cemetery.

ID: 73599 – Frederick Cyril CONSTABLE was born 25 November 1911. You’ve have a typo error for his year of birth.

ID: 104798 – Lionel John CONSTABLE – born 1913, registered in Bega NSW 42655/1913.

ID: 116623 – Ann CONSTABLE - born 7 March 1877, Moruya Heads NSW 9358/1877. Died 15 October 1914, registered in Bega NSW 16648 /1914. Buried in CE Section, Bega Cemetery. Married 25 October 1899, Digams Creek via Cobargo NSW 4581/1899 to Walter Wickham BATE born 28 January 1967, Gundary, Moruya NSW 7719/1867. Died 19 September 1948, Auburn NSW 17914/1948. Son to William M. Bate and Emily Ann Wickham.

ID: - 118639 – Alice CONSTABLE - born 5 March 1879, Broulee NSW 10757/1879. Died 4 July 1966, Balmain NSW 24213/1966. Buried in Macquarie Park Cemetery & Crematorium, Chatswood NSW.

ID: 118634 – Walter Wellesley WALTER - born 23 October 1881, Moruya NSW NSW 14996/1881. Died from Pheumonia Influenza.

ID: 157921 – Elias W. K. CONSTABLE (AKA Skipper) - born 20 March 1881, Moruya Heads NSW 14913/1881. Died 16 May 1977, North Sydney NSW 10641/1977. (Occ 1936, Tram Driver, Sydney).

ID: 157781 – William James CONSTABLE - born 16 July 1882, Moruya Heads NSW 15629/1882. Died 11 July 1951, Hurstville NSW 20285/1951.

ID: - 157774 - Muriel Elsie TAYLOR - died 30 April 1937, Hornsby NSW 10319/1937. Buried in Macquarie Park Cemetery & Crematorium, Chatswood, NSW. Grave No: COE/J11/0008.

Trevor William CONSTABLE - born about 1920. Died 1 October 1947, Hurstville NSW 22839/1947. Aged 27 years. Buried in Macquarie Park Cemetery & Crematorium, Chatswood NSW. Grave No: COE/J11/0008. Son of William James Constable and Muriel Elsie Taylor.

ID: 157782 – Isaac Wyatt CONSTABLE born 31 July 1884, Moruya Heads NSW 18679/1884. (Occ: 1936, 1943 & 1954, Sawyer. Residing in Peakhurst, Sydney NSW).

Valmai Lorna CONSTABLE - born 1917, Hurstville NSW 41672/1917. Died 25 November 1974, Cronulla NSW 20455/1974. Never married. Daughter of Isaac Wyatt Constable (157782) and Hannah Amy Taylor (157775). (Occ: 1943, 1949 & 1954, Typist. Residing in Peakhurst, NSW).

Isaac, Hannah Amy and Valmai’s ashes are buried in Woronora Cemetery, Sutherland NSW.

ID – 157922 - Thomas Henry CONSTABLE – born 10 May 1886, Moruya Heads NSW 20194/1886. Died 2 May 1963, Balmain NSW, 11460/1963. Married 19 July 1919, St Thomas Church, Rozelle, NSW 7774/1919 to Olive Louise FAUVEL (157927). Died 16 July 1958, Balmain Hospital, Balmain NSW 17409/1958.Olive’s mother’s maiden name is BOWERS (157929).

ID: 157923 – Charlotte CONSTABLE (AKA Tottie, Tot) – born 12 August 1889, Moruya Heads NSW 20244/1889.

ID: 157924 – John CONSTABLE – born 25 December 1894, Moruya Heads NSW 5258/1895. (Twin). Died 5 July 1896, Moruya Heads NSW 10593/1896. Age 18 months. Cause of death – teething convulsion. Buried in South Head Cemetery, Moruya Heads, NSW.

ID: 157925 – Sarah Ann CONSTABLE – born 25 December 1894, Moruya Heads NSW 5259/1895. (Twin). Died 14 February 1899, Moruya Heads NSW 2381/1899. Aged 5 years & 1 month. Cause of death – Rheumatic fever. Buried in South Head Cemetery, Moruya Heads, NSW.

ID: 157721 – Robert John Oldfied CONSTABLE – born 22 October 1866, Moruya, NSW 7153/1866. Died 11 July 1938, Parramatta, NSW 20775/1938. (Occupation: 1936, Butcher).

John’s first marriage was 1896, Sydney NSW 2295/1896 to Marion Beatrice McINTOSH – died 1898, Nowra NSW 2675/1898. Buried Shoalhaven area. Daughter to Henry J. McIntosh and Edith.

Iris V. CONSTABLE – born 1898, Nowra NSW 5776/1898. Died 1898, Nowra NSW 2677/1896, Nowra NSW . Buried Shoalhaven area. Daughter of Robert John Oldfield Constable (157721) and Marion Beatrice McIntosh.

ID: 157746 – Amelia Florence KELLY – born 17 July 1896, Longreach, near Nowra NSW 24148/1896. Died 16 April 1979, Croydon NSW 8379/1979. Daughter to Robert Kelly and Amelia Knight.

ID: 157745 – Joseph Benjamin LOUTTIT – born 25 April 1892, Moruya NSW 23277/1892. Died 14 May 1968, Sydney NSW 3368/1968. Aged 76 years. Buried Moruya Cemetery NSW.

ID: 157744 – Lavinia Myrtle LOUTTIT (AKA Lovely) – died 29 July 2003. Aged 97 years. Buried Moruya Cemetery. Married 1951, Taree NSW 13136/1951 to Daniel Joseph CLUNE born 1897, Taree NSW 7497/1897. Died 1959, Taree NSW 6786/1959. Son to John Joseph Clune and Ellen Mary Moylan.

QUERY ???

I am wondering if John A. MARTIN (142689) and John Alexander MARTIN (91749) may possibly be the same person.

Records indicate that John Alexander did marry twice. First marrying Anne Henrietta GIESS (91750) and then marrying Maud E. HIBBURD (170028). Maud died in 1917, registered in Bega NSW 2750/1917.

ID: - 116621 - Mary Ellen THELAN (nee Constable) married in 1922, Paddington NSW 8107/1922 to John A. MARTIN. On the 1936 Electoral Roll it shows that a John Alexander and Mary Ellen Martin are both residing in Cobargo NSW.

I agree these two are one and the same.

Just to complicate things a bit more, Maud E. HIBBURD’s marriage to John was possibly her second marriage.

There is an Elizabeth M. GILLESPIE born to David and Elizabeth in 1885, registered in Bega NSW 19010/1885. I’m wondering if it should have been Daniel and Elizabeth, which would make sense with the order of years in which their children were born.

Elizabeth M. GILLESPIE married in 1906, registered in Bega 836/1906 to Squire J. HIBBURD (11460). Squire died in 1907, Lismore NSW 14170/1907. Squire’s birth was registered as James S. Hibburd but married and died using the name of Squire J. Hibburd.

Maud E. MARTIN died in 1917, registered in Bega NSW 2750/1917. Parents listed as Daniel and Elizabeth.

If my hunch is right, Maud E. Hibburd/Martin is actually Elizabeth Maud Gillespie and her parents are Daniel GILLESPIE (89087) and Elizabeth NUTLEY (89094)

There seems to be a lot of similarities. What do you think?.

Comments: I agree with you, this is one fine piece of deduction on your part and you have my admiration for being able to pull all those pieces together.

Regards, Cathrine Constable

Hi Catherine,

Thank you seems so inadequate to fully express our gratitude for your wonderful contributions, so maybe this would be better....

Thank you.

see further comments in blue below,

Regards, Ian

From: jgls
Sent: Tuesday, 19 January 2010 4:45 PM
Subject: Greenwoods

F vii. Lily May Hyland was born in 1881 in Yass, NSW⁵⁷⁷ and died in 1957 in Sydney, NSW⁵⁷⁸ at age 76.

Lily married Frederick Ebenezer Greenwood, son of George Henry Greenwood and Mary Eliza Heydon, in 1906 in Redfern, NSW.⁵⁷⁹ Frederick was born in 1879 in Sydney, NSW⁵⁸⁰ and died in 1951 in Kogarah, NSW⁵⁸¹ at age 72.

Any idea where George Henry and Ebenezer are buried? I have contacted Woronora cemetery and also the Botany one, to no avail. Driving me nuts!

Jennifer L. Simmonds

Hi Jennifer,

Sorry, don't know. You could try Rookwood?

Regards, Ian

From: Pat E
Sent: Tuesday, 19 January 2010 12:44 PM
Subject: FW: Descendants of Edward Snowden

PS While you're at it you better attach this one too. It is marked "Billie Snowden WW1" but I'm not sure which William Snowden it refers to as William Charles was born 1866 & would therefore have been around 48 at the outbreak of that conflict whereas the Light Horseman pictured seems younger. It could possibly have been an earlier war? Perhaps one of the Monaroans can assist..
Patrick

From: Pat E
Subject: Descendants of Edward Snowden
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 01:34:50 +0000
Hi Ian
Regarding this page - http://www.monaropioneers.com/Snowden-Edward.htm#i59177 perhaps you would like to add the attached photo from my late mother Lynda Edgerton nee Moran's collection of "Joe Snowden". I believe it would be Joseph Thomas Snowden who was married to my mother's aunt Mary Morris. And probably the man on the left!

Also could you please correct the spelling of my Aunty Jeanne who was a good friend of my mother. She (Lynda) introduced Jeanne to her husband-to-be Jack (John Bede Snowden) who was my mother's cousin.
best wishes & thank you, Patrick Edgerton

Hi Patrick,

Thanks for the photos, I have added them to Snowden page. William Charles Snowden had 2 sons that served in WW1, perhaps the photo is one of them?

Regards, Ian

From: iuqcaj

Date: 18/01/2010 9:21:24 AM

Subject: John Rankin Family Query

Hello,

I was wondering if the Rankin Family described below is the same as John Rankins family mention in your website?

Kind Regars, Jacqui

http://www.webcore.com.au/clancy/05_ch5.html

Chapter 5

Enter The Rankins

Back in the early fifties,

Dim through the mist of years,

By the -bush-grown strand of a wild, strange land,

We entered - the pioneers.

(Frank Hudson, "Pioneers")

One cannot tell the story of my particular branch of the Clancy family without introducing the Rankins, especially that group of them who came to Australia "back in the early fifties". They were Scottish people, and one of the more distant ancestors, Duncan Rankin, was the first person to lose his life at the massacre of Glencoe in 1692.1

The generation of Rankins prior to the group who emigrated to Australia were living in Inverness-Shire. At that time there was dire distress for many highland people. The community was divided - Roman Catholics and Protestants, supporters of the Stuarts and supporters of the monarchy, great lairds and numerous but impoverished crofters.

Roman Catholic supporters of the Young Pretender, Prince Charles Stuart, were defeated at Culloden in 1745. After Culloden came the great clearances.

"The highlands were driven with a sudden rapidity through a series of changes which had taken hundreds of years in England. The medieval cry "sheep devour men" was heard again the highland crofters were displaced in their thousands during the latter part of the eighteenth century and the early part of the nineteenth century in favour of vast sheep-runs. The great highland clearances did not reach their height till after 1800."2

This is the setting for introducing my great-great-grandparents, Donald Rankin and Elizabeth (nee MacDonald or McDonnell). Elizabeth belonged to the proud warlike MacDonald branch, the McDonnells of Keppoch, being the second daughter of Angus, a great-grandson of Donald Gruamach McDonald, third son of John IV of Bohuntin.3

Donald and Elizabeth Rankin were living near Fort William, in Lochhaber, when their first-born, Ranald, was born in 1799. (There were quite a number of Rankins in Lochaber, their forebears having moved there from Glencoe.) A brother of his moved to Strontian in Argyllshire, where a daughter4 Margaret, was born in 1829. She died at Fort William in 1905.4 Donald and Elizabeth had four daughters, who all migrated to Victoria, and it would appear that there was at least one other, a son, who remained in Scotland. The daughters were Jane, born 1801; Janet, born at Glenelg in 1802; Christine, born 1825; and one other, whose name I have not been able to discover, but it could have been Flora.5

"Glenelg was a wild and beautiful estate on Loch Mourn It was sold in 1798, again in 1811, and again in 1824. In 1837 it was sold to John Baillie, a banker, and once a Member of Parliament for Bristol. At each sale, some tenants were moved. In 1849, 500 of them were helped to migrate to Canada by a grant of£2,000 from Baillie and£500 from the Destitution Board. Forty or fifty families had been unable to find room on the Liscard which took the Glenelg people to Quebec. They had sold most of what they possessed, and were living close to starvation on the edge of Loch Hourn. Many MacDonalds and Rankins were among the people who went to Canada, and many bearing these two names also came to Australia. Donald Rankin was a factor on the Glenelg estate when Janet was born.7

In the obituary of Rev. Ranald Rankin it was stated that he was left an orphan at an early age together with his sisters, and on him devolved the duty of watching over "his bereaved brothers and sisters". In compliance with his mother's dying wish, he became a Catholic, and the sisters soon after followed in his steps. This story is repeated by Rev. W. Ebsworth and Mary Hoban. 8 The inference is that Donald Rankin was not a Roman Catholic. The McDonnells were fiercely attached to this faith, which for long had been proscribed and for which many had suffered persecution, and it would appear that Elizabeth maintained it, although she may have been married to Donald according to the rites of the Presbyterian Church. Information given in that obituary must have come from one of the sisters. A further inference is that Donald predeceased Elizabeth. Unless there is an error in the age of Christina given in the Shipping list, Ranald would have been a man of 26 years of age, at leas!

t, rather than being very young when he was orphaned.

Other evidence suggests that they were not orphaned at an early age. A letter was written by Donald Rankin from Roe Lunachan on 4th October 1831 to Father D. Forbes at Elgin about his daughter, Christina, who was sent to School at Elgin in 1831, and boarded with the wife of a Corporal, William Hollenshead. She had sent word to her parents that she was not happy in that place. Donald asked Father Forbes to go and see Christina and inform her that her brother Archibald would call in a few days, pay her expenses, and bring her back home. He also asked Father Forbes to tell Christina that "her mother and all the family enjoys good health". 9 It is not absolutely certain that this Donald Rankin is the person we have been referring to. It is known that the same Christian names were used frequently, but it seems too much of a coincidence to suggest that there was another Donald, with another Christina, just at the right age to be sent away to School. If this Donald is our forebear,!

then we are introduced to another member of the family in the person of Archibald, and in view of the large gap of years between the births of the older sisters and Christina, there could easily have been other children, some probably dying young.

Ranald Rankin went to Spain where he entered the Scotch College at Valladolid to undertake theological studies. However, the warm climate adversely affected his health, and after four years he returned in 1822 to Scotland where the cooler climate restored health and strength. He entered the seminary at Lismore to pursue his studies. Lismore is an island between the Lynn of Lorne and the Lynn of Morven, at the wide entrance of Linuhe, about 8 miles north of Oban. Bishop John Chisholm acquired it in 1803 for a seminary. his brother, Bishop Aeneas Chisholm, was in charge after Bishop John Chisholm's death in 1814. In 1825 he was succeeded by Bishop Ranald MacDonald, kinsman of Ranald Rankin, and who ordained him.10

Ranald Rankin was appointed to Badenoch as his first Mission where he remained for nine years, then followed Moidart where he remained for nearly twenty years.

An interesting contemporary account of the Roman Catholic Church in Scotland, and of Ranald Rankin, appeared in the Catholic Penny Magazine (No 20, Saturday, June 28 1834), a Dublin weekly publication:

"Perhaps in no part where it once prevailed, is the Catholic religion more advancing than in the Western district, including the Highland of Scotland."

Then follows a listing of places, names of priests, and number of Catholics, e.g., Fort William, Rev. Charles MacKenzie 300, Moidart, Rev. R.M. MacDonald, Rev. A. MacDonald, Rev. Coil McColl 600, Badenoch, Rev. Ranald Rankin 300. After this listing the article continues:

"The Rev. Ranald Rankin, a Catholic clergyman of great learning, piety and zeal, is now preaching over the principal parts of Ireland, in order to remedy this evil, and to be enabled to erect a chapel at Badenoch, in Invershire (sic). The place in which the Catholics of this Mission have to meet in order to assist at the adorable Sacrifice, and to offer up their daily prayers to the Almighty, is a wretched hovel in ruins, incapable of defending them from the inclemency of the weather. The pastor has no other residence but what the families of his flock benevolently afford him. If there be one thing more than another, which calls for the active co-operation of Irishmen in a particular manner, in favour of the Rev. Mr Rankin, it is that he has, with considerable pains and talents compiled a prayer book (the first of its kind) in the Gaelic language, entitled "The Christian's Guide", published this year in Aberdeen, and not only circulated in the Highlands of Scotland, but also!

amongst Scottish and Irish families in America. It is a curious fact, that from the great affinity which the Gaelic has with the Irish language, many of the Highlands of Scotland can understand the latter; and there is reason to think, if sufficient pains were taken to point out the relative differences and agreements in both languages, that most of the aboriginal Irish and primitive Scotch could not only feel alike, but speak together on the wonderful works of God. To follow the example of Mr Rankin by publishing a prayer book suitable to the wants of the many thousands who know nothing but Irish, would be conferring an indescribable benefit on religion in Ireland."

Then follows a copy of a letter from the Rt. Rev. Dr Scott (he was at Glasgow and the Vicar Apostolic of the Western District of Scotland):

"The bearer, the Rev. Ranald Rankin, a most zealous Roman Catholic missionary in the Western District of Scotland, has my full permission to go to Ireland to make an appeal to the generosity and charity of the very liberal Catholics of that country, on behalf of his very poor flock, and also on behalf of some very poor Missions near him. The Roman Catholics in the Highland parts of Inverness-Shire, where Mr Rankin resides, have hitherto from various causes been deprived of chapels; for the huts in which the poor people assemble, cannot be called by the name of chapels. The Catholic inhabitants of that part of the country, though numerous, are wretchedly poor, and totally unable to provide places of worship for themselves. I beg leave, therefore, most earnestly to recommend to the charity and piety of the faithful, the laudable objects of Mr Rankin's mission to Ireland." + Andrew Scott, Apostolic of the Western District. Glasgow, May 5, 1834

Ranald Rankin arrived in- Dublin on 6th May 1834, and stayed with a Mr W.C Battersby at 5 Essex Bridge. From there he wrote to Rev. Charles Gordon mentioning that he was there "collecting some bawbees for the poor Badenoch Mission. I got off to a slow start, but for the last three days I got on in grand style." 11 The rest of his itinerary is not known, but if he did get into County Cork he might even have received a contribution from the Clancys of "Copse", and three year old John (who was to become related to him through marriage) might have seem him.

Shortly after Ranald Rankin moved to Moidart, the Inverness Courier reported the arrival of Dr Boyter at Fort William on 18th April 1838:

"The-news of his arrival, like the fiery cross of old, soon spread through every glen of the district, and at an early hour on Monday, thousands of enterprising Gaels might be seen ranked around the Caledonian Hotel, anxious to quit the land of their forefathers and to go and possess the unbounded pastures of Australia While we regret that so many active men should feel it necessary to leave their own country, the Highlands will be considerably relieved of its overplus of population."12

Rankin encouraged many people to emigrate, and not a few whom he met later in Victoria were folk whom he had known in the Highlands. Writing to Father Angus McKenzie on 2nd October 1838, he said, "I am busy sending about 90 souls to Australia". 13 It was his habit to write against entries in the Marriage Register where and when these people migrated, e.g., "to America" or "to Australia". So he has "Australia" against the names of Archy MacDonald and Ann MacDonald. For the year 1852, he has the words "Port Phillip" against the names of many persons, e.g., Alexander McEachern and Flora MacDonald. Two of the couples against whom is the entry "Port Phillip 1852" were Donald MacDonald and Kitty MacDonald, and John McEachern and Catherine McKillaig. The first couple were married in 1844 and the second in 1849 by Rev. Ranald Rankin, and on both occasions one of the witnesses was Malcolm Kelly, whose address was given as Dorlin. Dorlin is between Morven and Oronsay. Malcolm was also!

sponsor for the baptism of John Mclsaac in 1847, and for others in 1847 and 1851: He was Ranald's nephew, and further reference will be made to him in this story. 14

While on the subject of marriages performed by Father Rankin, it is interesting to note that on 15th June 1852 he married Donald MacDonald and Kitty MacDonald in Glasgow, and the same month they sailed for Australia. Apparently they wanted their priest from Moidart to marry them on the eve of their departure.

His parish of Moidart was extensive, being fifty miles in diameter. He gained a reputation as a scholar, and translated several devotional works from the French into Gaelic. He also rendered the first, third and fourth books of Virgil into Gaelic.

Reporting the death of Miss Margaret Rankin (whom we have already mentioned), the Aberdeen newspaper added (and this was over forty years after Ranald's death):

"Father Rankin is still remembered on the West Coast for his gifts as a poet and preacher. His beautiful hymns, songs and witty sayings were familiar to her while her own recollections of Highland lore became more vivid as time advanced."15

Ranald also sympathised with the Stuart cause, although it had long been defeated. The Dundee Courier reported the Glenfinnan Demonstration held on the Centenary of the Rising in 1845. It mentioned that there was a large assembly of Highlanders who joined in the procession, followed by a banquet. The article mentioned that many of them were descendants of the adherents to the cause of Prince Charles. Among the names given of those present was that of Rev. R. Rankin (spelt Rankine). Nearly all present were Roman Catholics. At the banquet, they declared their loyalty to the Queen and Royal Family.16

The last wedding conducted by Father Rankin in Moidart was on 2nd November 1854. In the Baptismal Register, at the conclusion of entries of baptisms administered by Father Rankin, his successor, The Rev. Hugh Chisholm, wrote:

"Rev. Ranald Rankin, ordained, came to Moidart in 1838. Left Moidart for Australia on the twenty-fifty of July 1855 amidst the tears and lamentations of an afflicted people".

Sufficient testimony to the regard in which he was held.

We turn now to note something about the Rankin sisters in Scotland. At some stage in her teens, Janet went from Glenelg to Greenock in Renfrewshire, a shipping port on the Clyde. She may have moved because of the lack of employment in the Highlands. "The Scottish industrial areas were filled up with Irish migrants as well as dispossessed Highland crofters."18

Another who moved south to Greenock was Duncan Rankin, who trained and qualified as an engineer, and probably worked in one of the ship-building yards. Nothing is known of Duncan's parentage, or whether he was in any way related to Janet. Duncan and Janet (who was then 17 years of age) were married in Greenock in 1819 by the Rev. John Gordon.19

At this time, there was much turbulence in Scotland, with plots and counter-plots for the reform of Parliament, and many workers were disaffected, particularly in the South-west. In the north, the Government's policy of "Clearances" sparked off riots and insurrection, which kept the troops busy. On Sunday, 2nd April 1820, Glasgow was very tense, and proclamations were posted the previous night in neighbouring towns and villages calling on the people to rise in arms. On Wednesday, 5th April, there was a "battle" at Bonnymuir; the rebels were defeated and taken to Stirling Castle. A rising at Stratharan was also suppressed. A rumour spread that people were being taken from Paisley Gaol to Greenock Gaol, and crowds quickly gathered. The prisoners were safely transferred, but soldiers tired on the crowd, which had got out of control, and three were killed and eight wounded.20

Duncan and Janet had seven children, and what is somewhat surprising is that the eldest was not born until about eleven years after they were married. There in no indication on Janet's Death Certificate of any other children, who might have been born earlier and died in early years. Their children were Donald (born 1831), called after grandfather; Eliza (1834), called after grandmother, for in some records the name given is Elizabeth; Alexander (1836), Mary Anne (1837); Lilias (1842); Augustina (1843) and Ronald (1849).

The Register of the parish Church of St. Mary's in Patrick Street, contain the record of only two baptisms of these children -Alexander, born 26th July 1835, and baptised the following day by Rev. Ranald Rankin, the sponsor being Alice (? the name is not clear) Rankin; and Mary Anne, born 3rd October 1837, and baptised on 1st November by Rev. Alexander Smith, the sponsor being Jane Smith. Father Rankin was conveniently on hand for the first of these two baptisms, and may have been visiting his sister. The sponsor, Alice (?) may have been a relative of Duncan's. It is surprising that the Register does not contain the names of the other children.21

Either just before, or not long after, the birth of Ronald, Duncan died. When the Census was taken in 1851, Janet was a widow, living at 10 Cartsburn Street and keeping a boarding house. At that time, her Son Donald was an apprentice cabinet maker, Eliza a domestic servant, and Alexander an errand boy, the next three were school children, and Ronald an infant. Hector McInnes, a sawyer, and William Fraser, a stone~mason, were lodgers. In addition, Janet had a five year old boy, Peter McKillip, as a visitor. Janet was entered on the census paper as a native of Strathglass, and so was William Fraser.22

Strathglass was owned by the Chisholm's, and as we shall see, Ranald Rankin knew Archibald Chisholm (husband of the famous Caroline) in their youth.

Jane Rankin married John Kelly and lived in Argyllshire for some years. We have noticed that Malcolm Kelly's address was given as Dorlin, so it seems that Jane and family were living not far from her brother, Ranald. The Kellys had three children, at least - Malcolm (1830), Eliza (1832) and Anne (1834). Eliza married Simon MacDonald, a policeman, son of Angus and Annie MacDonald. John Kelly died prior to Jane's emigration.23

Christina Rankin married a person named Rankin (Christian name is not known) and she had one child, born about 1849, who was named "Reynold" on the shipping list, the name being either Ranald or Ronald.

Four sisters were present at the funeral of Ranald Rankin, and elsewhere there is mention of four sisters in Victoria, but the fourth sister is not named. From examination of Registers of Marriages and Baptisms at Bendigo and Kyneton, I believe her name was Flora, married to a MacDonald. The strongest evidence is given in the record of the marriage of Marion MacDonald at St. Kilian's Church, Bendigo, on 24th February 1857 to Frederick Kleeman. She was the daughter of Peter MacDonald and Flora Rankine (the name is variously spelt in records as Rankin or Rankine). Marion was 24 years of age, born in Edinburgh. One of the witnesses was Eliza Rankin, first cousin, if Flora is the fourth Rankin sister. If so, she was probably younger than Janet, and she would have been in her late twenties when Marion was born. A Flora MacDonald was sponsor on three occasions when Rankin children were baptised. A Donald MacDonald was sponsor for three Rankin children. This Donald could have been !

the son of Flora. Amelia MacDonald is sponsor for the baptism of two children of John and Eliza Clancy. The earliest date is 1857, and all these baptisms were in Bendigo. Later, a Flora MacDonald was witness to a MacDonald wedding in Kyneton. Apart from Peter MacDonald being recorded as the father of Marion, there is no other mention of him. Could it be that Flora, like her three sisters, was a widow when she came to Australia?

Eliza told her children (and her daughters frequently repeated the fact) that through her grandmother they were linked with the famous Flora MacDonald who befriended Prince Charles. The Rev. W. Ebsworth lends support, for he writes, concerning Ranald Rankin, "His mother was a cousin of the famous Flora MacDonald. It is hard to see how this can be, for the McDonnells of Keppoch were a different branch of the MacDonald clan from that of the Flora MacDonald.25

Jane Kelly was the first of the Rankins to emigrate. She, her three children, and her son-in-law, Simon, embarked on the Stebonheath which sailed from Plymouth at 4.0 p.m. on 9th September 1851. Like other emigrants, she would have obtained information about Australia from available literature, such as "The Imigrant's Guide to Australia in the Eighteen-Fifties", a pocket-size volume, giving information about the country, working conditions, wages, progress, what type of people were wanted, and what to bring with them for the journey and for the new land. This particular book, published in 1852, told of the influx of immigrants due to the discovery of gold, and "society is unhinged and excited, business deranged". 26 Jane would not have read that particular book, nor would she have known of the discovery of gold, which only occurred about the time she embarked, but other literature was available.

But the other Rankins, who followed later, would have received this kind of information, and much more. One by one, they made their arrangements to come to Australia. Probably their brother Ranald encouraged them, as he did others. The Rev. P.J. Geoghegan, on a visit to the old country, reported to Bishop Goold that one new recruit was likely to be Father R. Rankin, who was well-known to Mr McKillop of Melbourne, and also to Captain Chisholm. He said that Father Rankin was well-known as "the Apostle of the Highlands". However, Ranald was not free to emigrate at that time. In 1852 Caroline Chisholm visited Scotland, and held meetings in Glasgow and elsewhere. He encouraged her in her work.27

John Sergeant was master of the Stebonheath and John Kidd doctor. There were 294 on board, and during the journey there were eight deaths and three births. On board were a family named MacDonald, also Ronald Rankin, son of Peter and Anne. The ship arrived in Melbourne at 11.00 a.m. on 16th December 1851. Jane and family were admitted to the Immigration Depot on 17th December, and Jane was employed by William Campbell on the 18th, Anne by Mr W. Fowler of Russell Street at£18 for six months, plus rations. It is not known how long they stayed in Melbourne, but before long they were living at Lyneton.28

Janet Rankin and family made their way from Greenock to Liverpool, where on 5th November 1853 they embarked on the Boomerang and sailed for Port Phillip. Also on board was William Rankin, his wife and two daughters, bound for Geelong. He was an agricultural labourer from Lanarkshire, and a Presbyterian. During the journey there were ten deaths, some of the causes being debility, decline, pneumonia and fever.

Only a handful of wealthy passengers travelled in cabins on migrant ships in the 1850's. Steerage passengers slept between decks in a long room traversing almost the length of the ship. This was divided into three large compartments. In the after part lived the single women with a strong matron to discipline them. A large bulkhead or wall separated them from the married couples and Children in the centre of the ship. The single men went forward, behind another bulkhead. Within each of the three areas, the floor space was divided into berths, generally six feet by six feet, and four people slept in each berth. These berths were separated by a partition of wood, which being only one foot high gave no privacy. Each man and woman was given ten and a half pounds of bulky food per week, of which 5 lbs was oatmeal, the remainder rice, flour, bread or ship's biscuits; 14 lbs sugar, 2 oz tea, 4 lb molasses. Children had half rations. On most of the Australian ships, passengers got mo!

re than the official dietary meals, and had meat at midday. Steerage passengers formed themselves into messes of ten, one of whom went to the cook's galley to receive the allowance, and apportioned it. The passengers sat on deckboards. After meals they washed plates, quartpot and cutlery.29

As travel went, the Boomerang had a fast, straight-forward trip, making the journey in 78 days (the usual time was from 100 to 128 days), and arrived in Melbourne on 22nd January 1854. Most passengers would have experienced sea-sickness in the initial stages of the journey, perhaps with some rough sailing in the Bay of Biscay, but apparently they were fortunate not to have been becalmed in the tropics, nor could they have encountered much in the way of storms in the southern ocean.

Scene: Courtesy NSW State Library

It would appear that the Rankins spent some time in Melbourne for Eliza was engaged by C. Woodward, Napier Street, Collingwood, as a domestic servant for£30 per annum, and Mary Anne by A. Robinson, Bourke Street, Melbourne, as a domestic servant for£20, in each case the term of employment being for one month. Donald was listed as coming on his own account, and his mother being in his care. 30 Doubtless he found employment, and a home for his mother in Melbourne for a time. Apart from the fact that Donald was sponsor at a baptism in Bendigo in 1857 nothing further is known of him. As for the rest, mention will be made of them again living in the Bendigo and Kyneton districts. Janet and family did not stay long in Melbourne, and by 1855 she had moved to Bendigo, where she acquired a home in Lyttleton-Terrace.

Many Gaelic-speaking people in Victoria greatly desired a priest who could minister to them in that language, for most of the priests they met were Irish. In 1852, these Highland Scots sent a petition to Bishop Murdock of Glasgow to have Father Rankin come to Victoria to minister to them. There was some delay in granting this petition, so a further petition was sent to Rome for his release from his present duties so that he could come to Victoria. Caroline Chisholm, who had met up with him on her tour of Scotland, and who was by now back in Melbourne, joined the Highlanders in their petition. This was granted, and before long he and his widowed sister, Christina, and her son were preparing to emigrate.31

Caroline Chisholm was not long back in Australia before she saw a need which she immediately set about rectifying. The large number or people making their way to the diggings had little or no decent accommodation at a reasonable price in which they could stay on the journey. She set about building a number of huts along the way, which were erected during 1854 and 1855.32

The ship on which Ranald Rankin sailed was the James Baines, one of the famous line of clipper ships which was to speed up the journey and transform shipping in the 1850's. Mr James Baines got an American ship-builder, Donald MacKay, to build four big clippers -the Lightning, the James Baines, the Champion of the Sea, and the Donald MacKay. They were full-rigged ships, and when the full fine weather suit was set, it amounted to approximately 15,000 yards (or two acres). The James Dames was launched on 25th July 1854. Sailing on December 9, 1854, she made the passage from Liverpool to Melbourne in 63 days, an unbeatable sailing record, and the return journey in 69 and a half days, thus completing the voyage to Melbourne and back in the record time of 133 days. The vessel could carry 1,200 passengers. In 1857, it was chartered to carry soldiers to India at the time of the Indian mutiny. Queen Victoria had dinner on board with the soldiers, using a regulation plate and pannikin!

. The ship ended her days shortly afterwards when she was burned at Liverpool on her arrival there from Australia.33

In St. Patrick's Cathedral Archives, Melbourne, is a note from Father Rankin:

"Moidart Argyllshire, Scotland 30th May 1855 I acknowledge having received this day an order on the Commercial Bank of London for£115:10:0 from Rev. Thomas Heptonstall, the Convent, Stanbrook, Worcester, being the sum intended to defray my passage to Melbourne. Ranald Rankin, M.Ap. Moidart."34

Rankin, his sister, and six year old son, Reynold, embarked on the James Dames at Liverpool and sailed on 4th August 1855. There were only 380 adults on board, some for Hobart and Sydney, but the greater number disembarked at Melbourne. Mrs Betty Shaw of Little River, where later Rankin was priest, told me her grandmother, Catherine McMaster, then aged 12 years, was one of the passengers in this ship. They arrived in Melbourne on 23rd October, and, the Bishop being absent, Rankin called on Rev. P.B. Geoghegan.35

On 26th October, Ranald wrote to the Vicar-General, mentioning, among other matters:

"I have an opportunity of going gratis to Kyneton, along with Mrs Captain Chisholm and son. My youngest sister and little nephew came along with me. I have a sister and family at Kyneton and another sister and family at Bendigo. Some of my former hearers reside at Kyneton, and also my friend, Captain Chisholm. The trip will enable me to find out some of the scattered Highland tribe.36

Caroline Chisholm, together with the Rankins, saw her sheds being built, as she made her way to Kyneton. On 3rd November, she placed an advertisement in the Argus: "Shelter sheds, shilling tickets, enabling holder to a night's shelter on the line of road to Castlemaine are now on sale", etc. Everywhere Ranald went he had the joy of meeting relatives, former parishioners from Badenoch and Moidart, and Archy Chisholm with whom he spent much time reminiscing in Gaelic.37

After spending a short time as assistant in Geelong, Rankin left for Portland on 13th May 1856. By June he was in Hamilton, whence he wrote to the Very Rev. Dean Fitzpatrick, V.G., St. Francis, Melbourne, saying that he had performed a few baptisms and a marriage in Geelong. In Hamilton he had board in a good Catholic home near the chapel, but he was dismayed with the few Catholics in the district and the poor Catholicity of some of them.

"The Lord of mercy crowns my humble exertions with great success. I have had two converts and expect more by and by I enjoy better health than In town. I am getting young and strong again."

His first Mass was celebrated in a tent on a block of ground nearly opposite the present Town Hall.

He wrote again on 4th October:

"I find great difficulty in procuring a proper place of residence in this muddy township. Till now I was obliged to put up with very indifferent accommodation. I avoided renting a house because the rents are so high."

He proceeded to tell the Dean that a quantity of stone was available near the site of the chapel for a reasonable sum, and requested permission to purchase it, offering to collect money for the purpose, and ending:

"Owing to P.W. Nolan selling off everything (he had mentioned that Nolan was going to Sydney), I am obliged to look for a new house this day - the house where I lodged belonged to him."

The Dean attached a note to the letter, indicating that permission was given for the erecting of the chapel, providing it did not involve the mission in any debt.38

Rankin was at Ballarat from November 1856 to February 1857. After brief periods at Keilor and St. Francis, Melbourne, he was appointed first (and only) resident priest at Little River, between Melbourne and Geelong. His mission extended back to Werribee and Footscray, and included a number of other centres. He opened a school at Little River on 5th April 1858, and another at Steiglitz. He built a house at Little River, the site of which Mrs Betty Shaw has located. He was responsible for building a church in 1857, a fine stone building. This was replaced by the present church in 1922, but the original foundation stone is set in the gable above the porch.39

Ranald ministered there with great zeal, despite failing health, until his death. His sister, Christina, lived with him, and kept home for him. During the last eighteen months, his health gradually failed, and on Saturday, 14th February, he died in the arms of his sister. During the whole of Sunday, inhabitants of Little River thronged to take a last look at the one who had served them so faithfully.

Roman Catholic Church

Little River

Early Monday morning, his body was taken to Geelong by the majority of the parishioners, and met at the entrance of St. Mary's Church by the Rev. Mr Hoyne. His biretta and stole were placed on the coffin. At 11.00 a.m., a Solemn Requiem High Mass was celebrated by Dean Hayes, assisted by Father O'Dwyer. At 2.00 p.m., the cortege formed in the church ground. Eight priests preceded the hearse, then followed the mourning coaches in which were the four sisters of Father Rankin, his nephews and other relatives. About 400 mourners followed on foot, and 60 vehicles, in which were most of the leading townsmen, brought up the rear. A number of women and children, not forming part of the cortege, walked along the side of the hearse. At East Geelong Cemetery, the coffin was carried by Little River parishioners to the Mortuary Chapel, and the body was lowered into a grave near where Father O'Brien was buried. Today eighteen graves of priests form a semi-circle around the chapel.40

The first land was sold in Kyneton, named by Mrs Jeffreys after her birthplace in Warwickshire, in December 1851. The following year it had post office, hotels and other buildings, and a population of about 300. Churches and a Catholic School were built in !853. concerning these, the "Blue Book" for 1855 says:

Kyneton in 1854

(Courtesy Mitchell Library , Sydney)

"Kyneton, Rev. N. Stack has a parsonage, two churches, both held in schoolhouses - the one at Kyneton, will accommodate 200, and that number usually attends the other at Taradale 41

Jane Kelly and her children settled in Kyneton about 1853. Soon after Caroline Chisholm, accompanied by Father Rankin, arrived there in 1855, the Chisholm's bought the well-established store of Roger and Harper, at the eastern end of the town. At that time, Kyneton was divided into two commercial sections, one at the eastern end, and the other about a mile west on the banks of the Campaspe River. In the course of time, the main business area grew up between the two locations. The Chisholm boys settled in Kyneton, the father dividing his time between Kyneton and Melbourne, where they still kept a business for a time. The Kyneton store in High Street was near where there is now a small park in memory of Mrs Chisholm.. From that store she was able to watch over her project of developing shelter sheds at suitable places.

Mrs Chisholm took up a new cause, and became a recognised voice in the "Unlock the Lands" agitation which was sweeping Victoria, as migrants and unsuccessful diggers sought to have large holdings cut up for selection. In 1856, young Archie Chisholm was asked by many local residents, including Malcolm Kelly, Peter Weltie and some Rankins, to nominate for Parliament. He stood on a programme of cutting up large holdings in a wealthy squatting electorate, but was beaten by G.W. Johnson.

Malcolm Kelly had a blacksmith's shop in East Kyneton. By 1857, there was a National School, a Court House, hospital and gasworks for street lighting had been installed. Mrs Ann C. Clinton, who had been with Mrs Chisholm was head-mistress of St. Mary's Seminary, where the Chisholm, and possibly Rankin, children were pupils. Cobb's coach, drawn by 22 horses, with seats for 75 plus standing room (the world's largest coach) passed through the town. In the spring of 1857, Caroline Chisholm settled in her new home, and soon made friends with her neighbours, including the Kellys, with whom she delighted to talk about Scotland. 42

The first function to bring together the various members of the Rankin families was the wedding of Anne Kelly and Peter Weltie on 7th January 1858. Peter was born in Baden, Germany, and had a brother a bishop there. He was a watchmaker, 34 years of age, and Anne was 22. She signed the Register with a mark, indicating her lack of ability to sign her name. The celebrant was Rev. Horation Geoghegan, the witnesses being Ronald Rankin and Joanna Gillies. The Chisholms were guests, and daughters Carrie and Monica were bridesmaids. At the wedding breakfast, Mrs Chisholm made a long speech, and drew the Major's sword across the wedding cake. The bride was taken to the church in Caroline Chisholm's vehicle, driven by a Chisholm.

Joanna daughter of Archibald and Anne McDonnell, was married to John Gillies 16 months earlier at Kyneton. When their first child, born, 1st February 1857, was baptised, the sponsors were Alexander MacDonald and Jane Kelly. This suggests a relationship between the Kellys and McDonnells, possibly through Jane's mother, Elizabeth McDonnell.

The close ties between the Kelly (and other Rankins) and the Chisholms were maintained. Years later, the Welties' daughter, Anne, related: "One day my father asked who had designed the Government's coat-of-arms. "Madame Chisholm", he answered himself." That daughter was born on 20th November 1858, and baptised Anne Maria on 1st December, the sponsors being Malcolm Kelly and Augusta (it should be Augustina) Rankin. Some years later, Peter Weltie was a watchmaker at Wentworth in New South Wales. A little further up the Darling River, one of the Rankins had settled.44

It is not known whether Simon and Eliza MacDonald (Eliza was Jane's daughter) also settled in Kyneton, but no great interval elapsed before he was a policeman stationed in Bendigo. There a baby was born to them on 15th April 1857 and baptised on 10th May, the sponsors being Donald Rankin (Janet's son) and Christina Rankin (Janet's sister). It is not known whether this child, Jane, was their first-born, or whether other children were born prior to her birth.45

Malcolm Kelly married Sarah Stokes, and their children were - Jane (born 8th December 1860), John Ronald (23rd June 1868), Nary Anne (27th November 1870) and James (30th March 1873). These names appear in the Registers, the first three being baptised at Kyneton with MacDonalds and MacPhersons as sponsors. The fourth child was baptised in Bendigo twelve months after his birth, Jane Kelly being a sponsor. Jane was probably their oldest child, but if Jane was the mother she would then have been 73 years of age. Michael and family may have moved to Bendigo.46

Meanwhile, Janet Rankin and family, after having settled in Bendigo for a short time, began farming at Kyneton, the date of the move not being known. Mary Anne was sponsor for the baptism of a MacDonald baby on 22nd May 1856, and Eliza was sponsor for the baptisim of a Brennan baby on 25th October 1857, both baptisms being in Bendigo.47

On 1st June 1858, the Kyneton observer reported that the streets were lit the previous evening with gaslight for the first time. It also reported that Sandhurst had its heaviest flood for two years, when the whole reserve between Camp Hill and Pall Mall was a vast lake. The road was impassable and Cobb's coach had not arrived.48 But though the road was bad, a group, the Clancy family, arrived in Kyneton. Two days later, as we have already noticed, John Clancy and Eliza Rankin were married in Kyneton.49

The Rankin family did not long remain in Kyneton. Janet resumed her position as boarding-housekeeper in Bendigo. The girls must have had close contacts with a number of families, for Mary Anne and Lilias were sponsors at several baptisms, Lilias with Archibald MacDonald being sponsors for the baptism of Jane Kelly in Kyneton on 8th November 1860. There was much matrimonial activity in Janet Rankin's family in the latter part of 1863 and early 1864, for in the space of three months, three children were married. The first was Alexander. In 1856-57 he was a miner at Epsom, just north of Bendigo. He may have left mining to assist on the farm at Kyneton. When they gave up farming, there was need for him to find other employment. At the time of his marriage, he was an overseer living at Euston, New South Wales. He was 26 years of age, and his bride, Ellen Therese Mitchell, a housekeeper at Euston (probably on the same property), was 24 years of age. She was born in Limerick, Irela!

nd, the daughter of John Mitchell and Margaret (nee Kelly), and she arrived in Australia in 1859. They were married in St. Kilian's Church, Bendigo, on 8th October 1863, the Rev. A.E. O'Dwyer officiating, and John Scott and Mary Anne Rankin were witnesses.

No doubt Janet would have had most of the work in connection with that wedding because Ellen's parents were not there. There quickly followed preparations for the weddings of two of Janet's daughters, the first being Lilias, then 21 years old. The bridegroom was John Cramsie, aged 31 years, a storekeeper in Balranald. Probably he visited Bendigo on business, and may have stayed at Janet's boarding-house, and thus met Lilias. He was born in Belfast, Ireland, and came to Australia in 1858. They were married on 26th November 1863, the Rev. A.E. O'Dwyer officiating, and Augustina Rankin and William Tipper were witnesses.

Those two witnesses were bride and groom on 21st January 1864. William ripper, aged 38 years, was a storekeeper, son of Thomas Tipper, merchant, and Maria. Augustina was 23 years of age, and at that time she was a barmaid. Re. A.E. O'Dwyer married them, and witnesses were John Cooney and John Tipper.

There remained one single daughter, Mary Anne (or Marianne), and she was married to Augustus Armstrong, aged 32 years, on 10th June 1871. Me was a quartz-miner, born in Durham, England, where his father was a miner. Mary Anne was aged 30 years at the time of her marriage.50

I have not been able to discover information about the marriage of Janet's sons, Donald and Ronald. A Ronald Rankin (different person) was married at Kyneton in 1861. As the sponsors were Huntley McDonnell, who was born at Moidart, Scotland, and Christina Rankin, this Ronald Rankin was probably a relative to Janet. 51 A fifteen months old baby, Flora Macdonald Rankin, daughter of Donald Rankin, was buried in Bendigo Cemetery in the l860's. It is not known whether this Donald Rankin was Janet's son.52

William and Augustina Tipper had four children - Maria (born 31st October 1864), Thomas Perrin (28th September 1866), Jessie (29th July 1868), and William (10th July 1870). Augustina died on 28th February 1872, aged 31 years, leaving four young children to be cared for, and not many years later William died.

A son, Duncan William, was born to Augustus and Mary Anne Armstrong on 5th March 1874, one of the sponsors at the baptism being Jessie Rankin. Janet had two names, but did not use the name Jessie very often, although quite a few descendants have been given that name. Augustus and Mary Anne Armstrong are buried in Bendigo Cemetery, but the headstone does not give the dates of deaths.53

Alexander and Ellen Rankin settled in New South Wales after their marriage, and before long he acquired Pooncarie station and allotments in the village of Pooncarie, on the lower Darling River. Descendants still own property there. They had five children - Duncan, Stephen, Mary, Jessie and Ronald Alexander. Ellen died at Pooncarie on 9th September 1871, three months after Ronald was born, the death certificate stating that she "died of cold after childbirth". The four elder children contracted diphtheria and died in one week. Alexander continued to live at Pooncarie, and at the close of the century, he was listed on the Electoral Roll as "storekeeper".54

Ronald went to Bendigo as a lad (possibly to his grandmother's place), where he was educated. In the year of his birth, the firm, in which he was later to play a prominent part, was formed by Hugh McColl, the pioneer irrigations of Victoria. Eventually, this firm of accountants was McColl, Rankin and Stanistreet. On 28th February 1946, Ronald Rankin completed fifty years with the firm and retired, and died on 13th June 1946, aged 75 years. He was a big man, proud of his Scottish ancestry, and was known to appear in kilts at some Scottish sports days in Bendigo. He was associated with mining, pastoral and farming industries in an executive capacity. He also served on a number of public bodies. He represented Bendigo on the Chamber of Hines of Victoria, and for some years was its Vice-President. He was also President of the School of Mines Council, Honorary Secretary of the Bendigo Benevolent Home for 15 years. On the formation of the Victorian Charities Board, he was appointe!

d Government nominee representing country charities in 1923. When he became President, he was looked upon as one of its best administrators. He was President of the Bendigo Branch of the Sailors' and Soldiers' Fathers Association, and also served on a number of other organisations.

He married Jessie Blackwood (surname not known to me), and they had four children - Ronald Alistair (killed in the First World War), Robert Allan (who did not marry), Marion Mitchell (married Gerald Yuncken), and Moira. According to Miss Moira Rankin, Donald Rankin's wife died in childbirth, but I have not been able to obtain further information concerning him.

John and Lilias Cramsie had eight children - William Augustine (born 22nd October 1864, baptised 1st November, Flora MacDonald being a sponsor); Jessie (born 30th November 1866, Donald and Flora MacDonald being sponsors at his baptism on 15th January 1867); James (born 22nd August 1869, baptised 13th September, Malcolm Kelly and Mary Anne Rankin sponsors); and Lilias May (born 5th October 1874, baptised on 7th December, Jessie Rankin sponsor). These four baptisms took place in Bendigo, the parents returning from Balranald for them. The next four children's baptisms occurred elsewhere. The children were John Boyd (born 1871), Alexander 5. (1875), Charles H.W. (1876), and Reginald C. (1882).56

John Cramsie developed extensive business interests along the Hurray, Murrumbidgee and Darling Rivers. He entered into partnership with John C. Bowden, and later with a third man named Woodfall. The three had businesses at Wilcannia, Milparinka and Tibboburra. The last named partnership dissolved in 1883, Woodfall taking over the businesses on the Darling and beyond. The firm had fourteen boats and barges plying the inland rivers, taking goods to towns along them, and returning with wool and other produce to inland ports like Echuca, whence it was transhipped by rail to Melbourne.

John Cramsie lived in Melbourne for a time, where three sons attended Queen's College. He represented the Balranald Electorate (as one of two members) in the New South Wales State Parliament, for three terms, 1880-1887. At this stage he moved to Sydney, and lived at Ashfield, where his wife, Lilias, died at 46 years of age, on 12th June 1888. John Cramsie later lived Mosman and Rose Bay, and died in 1910, aged 78 years.57

John Cramsie also had properties in western and north-western New South Wales, one named "Glendon" in the Glen Innes district. William and Alexander managed these properties. William became an accountant in Glen Innes, and took an interest in public affairs, "having established a record unequalled in municipal and shire government in New South Wales". He was the Mayor for seven years. Me was the President of the local Hospital Board, President of the Pastoral and Agricultural Association, and Director of several companies. He married Margaret C. McCrae, and they had five children. James Cramsie married M. Ester Fitzgerald, and they had five children. Jessie married Robert D. Wallace, and they lived in the Singleton district. Charles married Beatrice Everingham, a stock and station agent at Narrabri, and they had seven children. Reginald married Hadie McDonald, and they had five children.

John Boyd Cramsie had an outstanding career, and was numbered by the Sydney Tatler as one of Australia's big men. Educated at Queen's College, at 16 years of age he went to "Glendon" station. At 18 he became Overseer of Strathdarr station, 500 miles west of Rockhampton, Queensland, where he remained five years, during which time he travelled widely. He left to take the more responsible post of general manager of the Longreach Meat, Extract and Boiling Down and Wool Scouring Company at Clear Lagoon, Longreach. He controlled this company for six years till the 1902 drought. Due to overwork and continued worries, his eyesight began to fail. Acting on medical advice, he left Queensland, and formed the business of Comerford, Cramsie and Co., stock and station agents at Moree, from which he retired in 1912. After visiting America and Europe to enquire into the frozen meat and export business, he returned to organise his own export business. War intervened, and Australian meat was !

taken over under Imperial contract. He was appointed Chairman of the Meat Board, and re-organised Homebush Abattoirs. Later, he was the first Chairman of the Australian Meat Council. In addition, he held a number of other responsible positions associated with grazing and stock interests. Passionately fond of sailing, he owned a seven ton yacht, the Scot Free. He married Jessie McIntyre, and they had three children. He died in 1943.60

Another member of John Cramsie's family worthy of some extended mention was Lilias, who became a nun, joining the Presentation Order, and serving out her life in the Hay and Wagga Wagga Convents. This Order was formed at Hay in 1883, and Lilias joined it there on 15th May 1902. She made her vows on 14th November 1904, Bishop Dunne, assisted by Father Moran, conducting the service. Her sister, Mrs Wallace went from Singleton to be present for that occasion. Had members of John Clancy's family still been at Booligal (especially the three sisters, for Jessie maintained correspondence with Lilias) they would certainly have been present, but by that date the sisters had moved to Hoxton Park.

Lilias was a big-framed woman, but diabetes and a bad heart were her lot for many years. Named Sister Joseph, she taught music, and was regarded by fellow sisters as a brilliant musician. Sister Bernadette has written concerning her:

"Sister Joseph is still remembered by old identities for the beauty of her singing voice as she led the little choir of the tiny church dedicated to St. Virgilius, years before he was posthumously anglicised, and became St. Fergal. The organ Sister Joseph played has been abandoned, hidden away. The firm supplying the modern electronic replacement took one look at the proffered trade-in and offered Father Hynes sixty dollars if he would keep it. "Sic transit gloria mundi".

Sister Joseph loved to sing, and even in her old age would often add a descant to the English hymns -hymns that, like the old organ are now out-moded, frowned on as too sentimental, too slow moving, lacking the beat. For "Mother of Christ", a special favourite, Sister Joseph reserved a rather plaintive descant high and clear above the simple melodic line.

One evening, she chanced to sit beside old Sister Berchmans, who was frankly puzzled. "I always heard that Sister Joseph was a great musician", she said, "but do you know she was right off the note tonight, all through "Mother of Christ". I hastily defended Sister's musicianship, but the explanation carried no weight. Sister Berchmans and the dour Archbishop Cranmer were of one mine - "Descants -anathema sit"

"Many years have passed since May and Sister Joseph made music together. It is nice to know that the memory still lingers, for she added a grace to the little town."61

In a letter to me, Sister Benedicta wrote:

"I always remember Sister Joseph in the 1920's as a kindly, gracious woman. She was delicate, and when my sister and I came as very young boarders, one of her duties was to look after the "little ones". She was so kind to us. She told us stories, and sometimes used her great talent to play the piano for us. She was something of a haven from a governess employed at that time. At the convent "do's", she would play away without a note of music while someone else played the violin, and all sang."

Her complete devotion to her church is expressed in a letter to her cousin Jessie Clancy, whom she thanks for writing regularly. She thanks God that Jessie's niece and nephew' Mary and Gerard Cork, "have the dear Sisters of St. Joseph to teach them". Referring to another person, she thanks God that "he has become a Catholic".

Sister Benedicta told me she had lovely brothers and sisters who spoiled her. She was only 10 years old when her mother died, and this would not have been surprising. Her nieces, Elizabeth and Ruth, daughters of Reginald Cramsie, were boarders at Wagga Convent and knew her well. Gangrene set in her leg, and she was admitted to Calvary Hospital, Wagga, for amputation of the leg, but she died on the operating table on 9th July 1952. She carried into the twentieth century the same intense faith and zeal that burned so strongly in her great-uncle, Ranald Rankin, in the nineteenth century.62

Before we close this chapter on the Rankins, it may be fitting to note further incidents in the life of 3ohn and Eliza Clancy while they remained in the Bendigo district, the other Clancys having crossed into New South Wales. The story of the Clancys in that State will be taken up in the next chapter.

John and Eliza's first child was born on 4th lune 1859 (six months prior to Thomas Clancy's death), and baptised Thomas on 12th 3une at St. Kilian's Church, sponsors being grandmother Anne Clancy and uncle Richard Patrick Clancy. The second child, Duncan Richard, was born in 1861. No birth certificate is available, and there is no record of his baptism in the Register at St. Kilian's Church. His death certificate indicated the birthplace as Geelong, corrected to read Inglewood, which seems more likely. It is a pity that we lack information from the other sources, for it would have shed light on John's occupation and place of abode, about which we have nothing for the few years following his father's death.

Janet Rankin

The third child, Jessie, was born on 5th November 1863, and baptised in Bendigo on 8th November, sponsors being Malcolm and Amelia MacDonald. The fourth child, John, was born on 22nd July 1866, at which time his father was manager of a sheep station (location not known). Eliza came to her mother's home for the confinement, and the baby was baptised in Bendigo by Rev. Francis McCarthy on 5th August, sponsors being Ronald Rankin and Amy (Amelia?) MacDonald.

Not very long after the birth of John, his parents moved into New South Wales, Ronald Rankin going with them. Their story will be resumed in the next chapter.63

This chapter has been primarily the story of the Rankins. It is fitting that we should close with some further reference to that grand old lady, Janet Rankin, who outlived her brother and sisters, and all but two of her children.

Born in the Highlands of Scotland, married and widowed in Greenock, she brought her seven children to Victoria and made her home in Bendigo where she lived (with but a short break at Kyneton) for over forty years. Some of her family stayed near her, others moved well away, but from time to time these visited her. Patrick Clancy recalled how, as a small boy, he was taken by his mother Eliza from Booligal to visit her. He remembered the long low verandah extending along the full length of the front of the house, with grape vines tr4lling along the eaves. Janet loved to receive older relatives, and they would sit on that verandah conversing happily in their beloved Gaelic.

Not only were Rankin names handed down to succeeding generations, but the Highland traditions and faith of the Rankins was also handed on, and in such matters Janet played her part. She died in the home where she had lived so long, in Lyttleton Terrace, on 14th March 1899 at the advanced age of 97 years. Sons Alexander at Pooncarie and Ronald (address not known) were still alive, but it was her grandson, Ronald, who was on hand, and who attended to funeral arrangements. She was buried in Bendigo Cemetery on 15th March near two of her daughters.64

Hi Jacqui,

I can see no obvious connection, perhaps one of our readers will have more information.

Regards, Ian

From: Lorraine and Blue Larment
Sent: Tuesday, 19 January 2010 6:27 PM
Subject: Jabez Edward Barwick - correction

G'day Ian,
Great website, very informative.
Just a minor correction. The marriage of Jabez Edward Barwick to Lily Grace ELLICOTT, not Elliott as you listing shows.
Reference A Radical Tory: Garfield Barwick's Reflections and recollections, Federation Press, Sydney, 1995 ISBN 1-86278-236-8.
Her parents were John and Caroline (nee Pryor).
Cheers, Lorraine Larment

Hi Lorraine,

Thanks for letting us know.

Regards, Ian

From: ricardo

Date: 17/01/2010 11:04:07 PM

Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Genealogy Resource to your Site

Dear Pattrick,

First and foremost, please accept my compliments on your wonderful site.

I would like to suggest the inclusion of My Heritage site to your Genealogy guide at http://www.monaropioneers.com/links.htm.
My Heritage counts with over 30 million users worldwide and is one of the most popular free Genealogy sites in the UK.
If you agree here is the link I would like you to include: My Heritage: <a href="http://www.myheritage.com/page/family-search">Family Search</a>.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Best regards, Ricardo Blanco

Hi Ricardo,

There are many sites that also have a similar claim as the one you reference for inclusion on our site. Sadly, at this time we don't have the resources to adequately maintain this section due to the rapid changes and ever growing choices available. Your email will appear in our next newsletter which may assist our readers.

Regards, Ian

From: Peter Dabelstein
Sent: Thursday, 14 January 2010 8:05 PM
Subject: RE: Descendants of John Glennan and other updates

Ah yes – the old nickname on the birth certificate trick. I agree with you. Had found Berkery / Glennan and was satisfied (did seem to fit after some of the other strange things I’ve found). But yes, will need to go back and sort things. Thanks for that.

Will have a look at the other stuff ASAP (depending on who’s cooking tonight!)

Peter

From: Peter Dabelstein
Sent: Wednesday, 13 January 2010 5:50 PM
Subject: Descendants of John Glennan and other updates

Hi Ian

Sorry but I bring further bad news. This tree (Descendants of John Glennan) has a Catherine J Glennan (1887) marrying George Berkery (c1867) in 1893 (at age six [6])!

George did marry a Catherine Glennan (1864), but the daughter of Thomas Glennan (1829 Co Clare, Ireland) AND Mary Clancy. The details of Catherin J’s death is also incorrect, being the details for Catherine (1864).

Answer: I agree and disagree. George Berkery (Bercury) 1867-1917 married Catherine Glennan 1867-1/1/1938 daughter of Joseph Glennan and Mary Farrell. Catherine Jane Glennan 1887-1971 married Alfred Walker 1916 St Leonards, NSW. Catherine Glennan 1863-1953 (daughter of Thomas and Mary Clancy) married Charles McSorley 1887 Crookwell, NSW.

The information concerning the children of Catherine & George is correct (as far as I can tell as I am only just beginning to investigate). I have not been able to link Thomas (son of Anthony) to the John Glennan tree. If there is a link it is probably in Ireland.

A quick search for Catherine J’s marriage =

11520/1916

WALKER

ALFRED

GLENNAN

CATHERINE J

ST LEONARDS

Some updates:

A small correction (my fault)- Joan Winifred Chalker’s DOB should be 1924, not 1925.

I can also update the husband of Margaret Sybil Chalker, Albert Butlin Chambers. He died on 31 Jul 2009 at Aldersgate Nursing Home, Leichhardt, NSW and was cremated at Northern Suburbs Crematorium on 6 Aug 2009.

I have an addition to the descendants of Robert Scott (attached). Again it is a combination of sources, much from MPs. I am now sure that Caroline Scott had an illegitimate child, Muriel Gordon, sometimes Maud, prior to her marriage to Thomas Matthew Fulham.

As if to complicate matters, you will find a Barry John Robinson (my No. 75) who marries a Gwendolene Chalker. This is the same Gwendolene Chalker, daughter of Henry James Chalker (No. 26) in the MPs descendants of William Casey. I leave the assimilation of information up to you (again).

Some extraneous notes:

Muriel Gordon Scott (k/a Fullham) (b. 14 Oct 1882; d. 24 Nov 1948) married August Jonson in 1913. She had 2 children (Mildred Francis b. 11 Apr 1903 & Mary Eileen b. 1907) prior to marriage (& I would think relationship) to August. They had a daughter Dorothy (DOB c1919).

August Jonson was naturalised on 10 Dec 1914. He died 4 Jan 1938.

James Leslie Robinson was born 22 Jan 1899 (Birth registered under Beard & Robinson). His “father” (Frederick Joseph Robinson) died on 9 Apr 1898 at Newtown, NSW. Apparently he was ‘fathered’ by a John Higgens, of which I have no other details. (Emily Beard & Frederick Robinson had 7-9 children & I will pass them on when I work them out – a lot of inconsistency on the certificates re the names of the children, their ages and even if they ever existed.)

Regards Peter Dabelstein

Hi Peter,

Now this one caused me a bit of thought But I think have it right ... see comments below...

Regards, Ian

From: Peter Dabelstein

Sent: Thursday, 14 January 2010 10:33 AM
Subject: RE: Keevers & Inskip

Hi Ian,

No problem. Mainly send the whole file for you and the team to have reference points – the idea of causing extra work is not on my agenda. I have focused the profiles down to areas that concern me and I would like included. I’m sorry to say I still haven’t sorted the concept of gedcom files yet.

For Edward Keevers page.

Desc George Keevers: I have highlighted the base areas to be included – these either need up-dating or inclusion. All the information from the following generations is to be added.

For Robert Scott page.

Desc of Caroline Scott: It is mainly the linage of the illegitimate line that needs to be included. I have highlighted (yellow) what needs to be added and highlighted (blue) where I have extra or alternative information.

For William Inskip page.

Desc of Mary Ann Inskip. Again, yellow highlight indicates changes or addition areas. With the exception of Mary Jane Keevers line (green), I think everything from second generation on is new for this page but will mirror the information for the Keevers page.

Hope this is more helpful

Peter

Hi Peter,

Thank you, that was very helpful - new Keevers and Inskip pages published - you may want to check as I have added more detail.

Regards, Ian

From: Peter Dabelstein
Sent: Wednesday, 13 January 2010 4:12 PM
Subject: Keevers & Inskip

Hi Ian.

I have been looking at these two families in relation to my ex-wife’s family. While not 100% sure on all the information, it has been based on available sources, including MP and there seems to be some concurrence. You may remember I was searching for the birth of Charlotte Keevers (1860), which I have still not confirmed, but can support from death certificate of her father and birth information of siblings.

How it all fits.

Mary Ann Inskip, daughter of William Inskip & Mary Carter (No. 4 on MP desc of William Inskip), married George Keevers, son of William Keevers & Sarah Jane Slack. George is a brother of Edward Keevers (MP desc of Edward Keevers). I will leave it up to you as to how and what to incorporate. As usual, I have left a lot of extraneous notes / information and my working comments (for me to come back too & hopefully be able to clarify) which really don’t need to be included. Of note, it would appear that the child of Mary Ann Inskip & George Keevers (MP Desc of William Inskip) was born Hannah Martha, but was latter known as Emma Maria.(Emma Maria is the name given on George’s death certificate). Again, I am not 100% in this area but the death information seems to support my thoughts.

You may notice on the William Inskip file at No. 327 a Smith marrying a Cunneen. This Cunneen line has a Glennan connection to the Monaro, but none that I can currently match to the existing MP information. I will send a separate mail with some corrections concerning Cunneen’s & Glennan’s & others later.

Unfortunately, I have forgotten to reference the picture of William & Sarah Keevers (first for a long time) and the picture of the medal, but it is (pretty sure) from the Aust War Memorial site (I think AWM Collection Record: REL/18225

http://cas.awm.gov.au/heraldry/REL/18225 )

Regards, Peter Dabelstein

Hi Peter,

Thanks for the information, unfortunately I am swamped at the moment and really don't have time to do a line by line comparison, particularly when so much information is identical. I am sure there are some additional bits in your files we could use but the effort to extract those gems is considerable. Can you possibly highlight differences/additions to help reduce my work load? Or a gedcom file? I did extract the photos and updated the Keevers page as base for you to use if that helps.

Regards, Ian

From: joanne albert

Date: 4/01/2010 10:14:37 PM

Subject: IOOF friendly societies

Dear Pattrick,

I was browsing through the Monaro site, and came across your information about the friendly societies.

I would like to know how do you find the information about these societies, and what is the appropriate way of addressing them and contacting them.

My family research has a big L plate attached to it.

The reason I am asking this is because on viewing a death notice of my GG Grandfather in 1918 it said that he was a loyal member of the Balmain Lodge badge No: 15 of the IUIOOF. I have not been able to find anyone who knows what the lodge was or how I can find this information out. Any suggestions you may have would be greatly appreciated.

Yours Sincerely, joanne Albert

Hi Joanne,

After looking for many years I found someone who had a copy of a little history book produced years ago by a Cooma chapter, I don't have access to it any more, keep asking around. Ian might be able to help you more.

Regards, Pattrick Mould

Hi Joanne,

Have you tried "Googling" to find information on that society? The State Library would also be a good place seek more information.

Regards, Ian

From: Mervyn Jenkins

Date: 12/01/2010 2:26:21 PM

Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] arthur allen..descendants of

hi mate
           I see on the manaro site .there was a arthur allen.who came to australia as a soldier guard .with the 99th regiment of foot
           in 1842..he sailed on the '"marquis of hastings"" the reason for the enquiry is ..my gggrandfather william jenkins was also
           with the 99th regiment,arriving in new south wales in 1842, he was a guard looking after convicts..served under captain bull

           i was wondering if the person that placed that article on your site .may have information on the 99th regiment.

           anyway ,thanking you ,,kind regards
                       merv jenkins

Hi Mervyn,

You could try the contributors who are listed on the Arthur Allen page on our site,

Regards, Ian

From: Barry and Lucy Cash
Sent: Wednesday, 13 January 2010 4:30 PM
Subject: CASH Family, Eden.

Hi Ian

I'm Barry Cash from New Zealand. Found the 'Monaro' web site and wondering if you can help. I'm looking for info on Joseph and Jane Cash, residents of Eden, c.1872. I have info on their 9 children. What I'm looking for is newspaper clips about the family from the Pambula Voice which I cant access from here. Joseph was born in Suffolk, 1829, and joined the 43rd [Monmouthshire] Regiment of Foot age 17/18 and served in Ireland, South Africa, India, and New Zealand, where he was discharged and lived for about 3 years before moving to Pambula, and then Eden where he married Jane in 1872. He died 1911. One of their children, Arthur, came to NZ and started my branch of the CASH tree. Can you can help, or pass me to some else?

Regards, Barry

Hi Barry,

Sorry but we have no transcription details of the Pambula Voice newspaper unfortunately. You could try the Pambula Historical Society or the Bega Valley equivalent. You mention 9 children, we only have details of 8, perhaps you might like to fill in the blanks in our database?

Regards, Ian

From: Grant Franklyn-Smith
Sent: Tuesday, 12 January 2010 11:21 PM
Subject: James Roderick Mcdonald Family

Dear Ian

Came across your data in Monaro Pioneers Group, regarding James Roderick McDonald who married Edith Clay in 1896 there daughter Dorothy Violet Mcdonald, was my grandmother, who married John Franklyn Smith, not William Ambrose Powell we have done extensive research on James Roderick Mcdonald who worked at the GPO Sydney, and he was the son of Donald Mcdonald and Mary Urquhart who were married in Scots Church Sydney in 1859. not Angus Thomas Mcdonald. Donald and his parents Alexander and Catherine Mcdonald came to Australia in 1855 on the Golden Era and the family were from Urquhart Logie Wester, Rosshire, Scotland.

It would seam you have connected your James Roderick Mcdonald who has the same name with our family which is incorrect, have sent some files which give details of this and it is backed up by birth, death and marriage certificates. hope this has been of some help to clear up this mistake

cheers Gran Franklyn-Smith

Hi Grant,

Thank you for the information, I have rectified our records accordingly.

Regards, Ian

From: Phyllis Dowling
Sent: Tuesday, 12 January 2010 9:24 PM
Subject: Sarah Lette

Hello Ian, Would it be possible for you to correct the name of the father of Sarah Sutherland who was married to John Maximus Lette. It is given as Donald Sutherland in all the Lette records, but Donald was actually her grandfather. Sarah was the daughter of Rosetta Sutherland, father not known, and her birth is registered as such, but she was reared as the child of her grandparents and Sarah never knew otherwise. The fact that Donald is shown as her father has caused problems for those researching the family.Sarah was born on 17 January 1836. This from the family bible, which I have. Sarah's children were all beneficieries in Rosetta's will, which I also have a copy of. It was always known in our branch of the family that Sarah was Rosetta's child, but Sarah never knew.

thank you. Phyllis Dowling

Hi Phyllis,

Thank you for the information, your requested change has been made.

Regards, Ian

From: Madge
Sent: Tuesday, 12 January 2010 4:03 PM
Subject: robert harts family tree

first generation christina hart ,married james elliott in bega in 1874 not james christ .she was my grandmother.

Hi Madge,

The NSW BDM Index is confusing....

1879/1874	CHIST	JAMES	HART	CHRISTINA	BEGA
1879/1874	ELIOT	JAMES	HART	CHRISTIANA	BEGA

I have corrected our database.

Regards, Ian

From: Peter Cursley
Sent: Tuesday, 12 January 2010 3:44 PM
Subject: addition

Hi Ian, Regarding the listing below, there were two other children born to Albert and Margaret:

F Dorothy Underhill

Dorothy married James Lee (and moved to Houston, Texas)

F Joyce Margaret Underhill

Joyce married William Ellison Cursley

Hi Peter,

Thank you for the information.

Regards, Ian

From: Graeme Lovell
Sent: Monday, 11 January 2010 10:22 AM

Subject: Monaro Pioneers

Hello Ian,

I have been looking at the Monaro Pioneers website as I am a descendent of John Love http://www.monaropioneers.com/Love-john.htm . This is through the marriage of Mary Maria Love to George Morris in 1831 http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=100077903077&lds=1&region=16&regionfriendly=Southwest+Pacific&frompage=99 following the death of Thomas McGuire in 1831. William Morris was then born in 1832 http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=100216899647&lds=1&region=16&regionfriendly=Southwest+Pacific&frompage=99 and I am descended from him.

Please correct your website to show the marriage of Mary Maria Love to George Morris and the birth of William Morris.

Kind regards, Graeme Lovell

Hi Graeme,

Thank you for the information.

Regards, Ian

From: Redmond
Sent: Monday, 11 January 2010 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: Peter McDonald

Hello again Ian,

Wow! In one day you have managed to do what it has taken me weeks to achieve!! The only query/change I would have is that Robert Pollett started out in the 12th Light Horse (Mar 1915) and transferred to the 7th in August 1915. He was wounded in the back, chest, arm and neck in September 1915 and never really returned to full duties until he was discharged in 1917.

I think I also forgot to tell you that Margaret Collins died on 8 Jun 1928 at her daughter's house (Annie), 12 Turner Ave, Haberfield. She is buried in Woronora Cemetery.

I agree that it is highly likely that Peter McDonald, son of Duncan and Margaret, is the person I am looking for. The only difficulty I have is that he would have been 76 when his last child was born. In an attempt to narrow down the year of death, I have ordered the marriage certificate for Helena McDonald in the hope that it will say her father is deceased. If that is not successful, I guess I will start ordering death certificates for "Peter McDonald" in the hope that eventually I get the right one. I will let you know how I go with that, although I believe NSW certificates take some time to arrive.

Cheers, Penny

Thanks for your prompt reply, Ian.

My Peter McDonald is already listed on your site but with very limited information. I was hoping to find his death certificate so that I could perhaps find some further information about his origins. He is the Peter McDonald married to Margaret Collins. They married in New Zealand in 1864 (marriage certificate has just about nothing on it other than his being a widower at the time of his marriage to Margaret). I do know that he is Scottish and she is Irish. My great grandmother was his 8th child as her birth certificate states there were 7 children born before her.I am in the process of chasing those other children but I believe they were Henry (born NZ), Helena (on your site), Roderick (born NZ), unknown (possibly born in NZ), Daniel Collins, Matilda Jane, Alfred William, Margaret (my Ggrandmother), Annie Teresa and George. The last 6 children were born in Bega with Margaret born in Church St, Bega in 1877.

I am happy to share whatever information you might require. It would be very satisfying to solve the mystery of how a Scotsman married an Irish girl in New Zealand and then lived his life in Bega/Bombala.

Regards, Penny

Hi Penny,

I am confident that the Peter McDonald (1807-10.01.1883) son of Duncan McDonald and Margaret McPherson is most probably the same person as the one who married Margaret Collins. Whilst there is no evidence yet to support this, your family oral history does support it. There was only one Peter McDonald who died in the Eden/Monaro area in that approximate time frame. PERHAPS ONE OF OUR READERS WILL DISPUTE OR CONFIRM THIS ASSUMPTION? (PLEASE)

I certainly dispute the "never married" tag until proven otherwise. I have not been able to find any record of Peter having immigrated to Australia with the rest of his family. This could easily explain why he ended up in New Zealand and could easily have been married prior to his marriage to Margaret Collins, probably in Scotland. I have tried to complete the descendant tree of Peter and Margaret and have attached same for you to review and correct as appropriate please.

Regards, Ian

Hi Ian,

I see on your webpage for Monaro Pioneers that you have a lot of information for the McDonald family. I have a "Peter McDonald" as my GGgrandfather who comes from Bega/Bombala who died in that area sometime between 1883 and 1898. There is a Peter McDonald on this site who died in 1883 but is unmarried. I would like to contact the people who provided that information just to confirm whether that is definite or perhaps undetermined. Can you tell me who is the best person to contact?

Regards, Penny Redmond

Hi Penny,

The Peter McDonald we have is the only one who died in the Monaro area in 1880's according to the NSW BDM index. Because of the proximity of the Victorian Border, it is possible another Peter died in Victoria. There is certainly no marriage information for a Peter McDonald in the Monaro area but again with such a common name it is impossible to determine if he married outside the area just by looking at the indexes. I cannot find any reference to a Peter McDonald on the "British King" passenger list either which is a pity as that might have given a clue whether he was married before the voyage.

The contacts for that family are listed on the webpage and I am unable to determine who is the best one for you to contact, perhaps copy them all on your question.

If you would like to send me your Peter McDonald's known details and family I will gladly investigate further to see if I can help you. Either way, it sounds like he should be listed in of our database and Pioneer Index.

Regards, Ian

From: CCHI
Sent: Sunday, 10 January 2010 3:08 PM
Subject: Andrew Hartigan Tyrie

Hi Ian,

Just a small error I noticed while looking for something else. On the page for Andrew Hartigan Tyrie, refer to his daughter Mary Ann Tyrie marrying William George Griffin. William's parents were not James & Ellen. They were Henry Griffin & Catherine Buckley. On the reference nswbdm 5777/1881 William's parents aren't stated but on his death transcription nswbdm10786/1920 his parents are named and his wife is named as Mary Ann Tyrie.

Happy New Year to you and the team,

Robyn Kirkwood

Hi Robyn,

Thank you,

Regards, Ian

From: marjorie

Date: 8/01/2010 7:10:33 PM

Subject: Kerrison family of Crankies Plain, Bombala NSW

Hello

I am seeking information about my grandmother's father, James George Kerrison (son of Stephen J. Kerrison and Elizabeth Godfrey) who was born in Bombala 1860 and died in Delegate NSW in 1947. Where was he buried?

James was married to Janet Brownlie of Aston Station, Bombala (Janet died 1893), then James married Louise Velt of Craigie in 1899. Where did James live with Janet and later with Louisa? Hope you can help or point me in the right direction.

Marjorie McGovern

Hi Marjorie,

We have no information as to the burial location of James George Kerrison unfortunately. My best guess would be Delegate cemetery but there is no transcription evidence to support that.

We have no information either on the residence of James and Janet but the Electoral Rolls for 1930 show the residence of James and Louisa as "White Rock" Rockton - occupation Farmer. The Electoral Rolls for 1936, 1937 and 1943 show James was retired and living in Delegate. I suggest you acquire some or all of the BDM certificates for James and his family which should show his addresses and his death certificate should show his burial location. I have updated the Kerrison web page after some more research.

Regards, Ian

From: O'MARA Wayne
Sent: Friday, 8 January 2010 10:44 AM
Subject: Henry Ingram

Hi Ian

I wish to added a detail to the Ingram's. I am the son of Henry O'Mara and Clementine Jack Munro.

"Henry married Clementine Jack Munro, daughter of Unknown Munro and Unknown Jack, in 1950 in Balmain"

can your change to

Henry married Clementine Jack Munro, daughter of Alexander Marcus Munro and Devina Jack, in 1950 in Balmain

Have recently learnt that am connected to Blessed Mary Mackillop through marriage of Margaret Eileen Ingram to Robert Alexander Campbell Taylor, on November 27,1927 in Bruthen Vic

Margaret Eileen Ingram was my grandmother,Sabina B. Ingram, was her cousin.

Robert Alexander Campbell was the son of Catherine Campbell, who was the daughter of Ann McDonald, who was the daughter of John McDonald, who was the uncle of Flora Hannah McDonald the mother of Blessed Mary MacKillop.

Regards, Wayne

Hi Wayne,

Thanks for the information.

Regards, Ian

From: Helen Newman
Sent: Thursday, 7 January 2010 4:17 PM
Subject: pioneers of braidwood area

Dear Ian,
I just came across an entry re the Keevil family (Sutherland) My ancestor, Jonas Hinchcliffe of Braidwood had a son Henry who married Susan Keevil (Suzanna) Jonas was a convict. I also noticed that there was a discharge document of Thomas Keevil with a photo attached. Do you know if all of the convicts had this document? Who actually made this entry?

If you or anyone else has any information about the Hinchcliffes I would really appreciate it. They also lived at Majors Creek, Araluen and Bendoura. Jonas married Sarah Lamb and had four children, Henry,Mary,John and Ann.

Thanks very much, Regards, Helen

Hi Helen,

I personally don't know the answer to your question but the images on that page were supplied by a contributor whose contact details are listed. Whilst we do have extensive information in our database on families from the Braidwood area, it is by no means complete nor comprehensive. This email will appear in our next newsletter and perhaps one of our readers may be able to help.

Regards, Ian

From: The Arnolds
Sent: Thursday, 7 January 2010 3:01 PM
Subject: Thomas Moran

Hi,

I have a question concerning Thomas Moran, and if you can't answer it maybe you can point me to some who can. In the 1st part of the genealogy of Thomas Moran it states he was born in Ireland in 1831, then it gives a reference to a NSW BDM Birth Certificate of a Thomas Smith born 1832 in NSW, who's parents are Ann Smith (Monaro Pioneer) and Thomas Moran.

If I'm missing something please explain it, cause I'm confused. Any help is greatly appreciated Anne Arnold

Hi Anne,

The BDM Reference is an obvious error and has now been rectified, thank you for bringing it to my attention.

Regards, Ian

From: Terry Smith
Sent: Wednesday, 6 January 2010 4:49 PM
Subject: Monaro Pioneers - Info on James Wilton

Hi,

Under the pioneer ‘Duncan Davidson’, there is some information about his daughter Margaret Webster Davidson (and her husband James Wilton). It says that they had a hotel at Captains Flat. I’ve been researching James Wilton and have found out that he owned the Pioneer hotel in Forbes (1861 – 1862). He also owned the Harrow Inn near Goulburn (1865 – 1869). He moved to Bemboka in 1869 where he became a farmer. I can’t seem to find any evidence that he owned a hotel in Captains Flat. Is there any evidence regarding the Captains Flat hotel?

Thanks, Terry Smith

Hi Terry,

The information to which you refer was contributed by one of the listed contributors (don't know which one) and they may have some supporting evidence.

Regards, Ian

From: selina giles
Sent: Tuesday, 5 January 2010 6:00 PM
Subject: Ellen Hayes

Dear Ian

I have a birth certificate for Edmond Vine Father Charles Vine Mother Ellen Hayes and witnessed by a Catherine Hayes. Unfortunately Charles and Ellens Marriage certificate does not contain any parent information or birth. I have contacted the parish and all records are lost. Are you able to enlighten me as to wether my Hayes is your Hayes and who was her parents.

Your time would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Selina

Hi Selina,

Sorry, we have no information that might assist you unfortunately.

Regards, Ian

From: Glenys Williams
Sent: Tuesday, 5 January 2010 4:38 PM
Subject: Monaro Pioneers

Dear Ian,

What a wonderful collection of history you have researched and recorded. I was just looking for relatives in the Monaro area and found this. Could you please add the name of my mother to your list please.

The reference is Descendants of Charles Smith

Reference 11 Catherine Amelia Smith (my grandmother) married Henry Charles Scullin.

Children of the marriage

1.Henry James Scullin (shown)

2. Mary Amelia Scullin born 19th Feb 1920 Tweed Heads - died Gosford 20th February 2000 aged 80 (She married Malcolm Clyde Williams in Coffs Harbour)

My name is Glenys Mary Williams I have 1 sister Lynne Catherine Heggie (nee Williams)

I would be happy if you could please add my mothers name to your wonderful records and thank you for all the many hours you would spend

Kind regards, Glenys Williams

Hi Glenys,

Thank you for the information and kind words.

Regards, Ian

From: Jan Visinko
Sent: Monday, 4 January 2010 11:25 AM
Subject: Moore family: Bombala

Hi, I can assist with the descendents of Arthur George Moore and Edith Baker, who were my grandparents. Jan Visinko (nee Moore).

Hi Jan,

We would be very grateful for any assistance you can provide.

Regards, Ian

From: Allan Spindler
Sent: Monday, 4 January 2010 7:42 AM
Subject: Re Holmes Corrections

Ian hello. Happy new year to you and the team at Monaro Pioneers plus all the contributors to this site.

I have some corrections for the descendants of Samuel Holmes.

9. John Holmes and Margaret Worland's children.

Elizabeth Maud Holmes their first born is my grandmother.

Her sister Gladys Holmes b. 1905 Eden NSW d. 4.8.1977 she married William (AKA Bill) Clutterbuck (different to the person listed, I almost fell into the same trap from NSW BDM) in 1939 at Paddington, Sydney, NSW, William b. 13.9.1905 at Stroud, NSW d. 18.4.1992. They are both buried in Urunga Cemetery, NSW, row 1 lot 24. They didn't have any children (nil issue). I can remember Bill he used to wear realy thick glasses that made his eyes look very large.

Linda Holmes married George A Bruce Cocks in 1929 at Eden, NSW.

Iris D Holmes married Leo Dennis Monck in 1939 Eden, NSW.

Thanks for maintaining this wonderfull site, we do appreciate the effort.

Regards Allan Spindler

Hi Allan,

Thanks for bringing that discrepancy to my attention, it has been rectified now. The reason we keep doing what we do with the MP site is because of kind, generous folks like you, you make all the effort involved worthwhile. Thank you and happy new year.

Regards, Ian

From: Robyn Croft
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2010 11:32 AM
Subject: peasley/crawford

Hi Ian

Congratulations on a great site with all the information gathered. My husband descended from Emily Elizabeth Peasley and Henry Patrick Riley m 1891 Bedgerabong.

They had four children :

Ruby Madeline( his descendant) b 1892,Henry b 1896, Reginald b 1899 and Hedley b 1902. The other child Janey was born 1894 but died 1900.

I have never been able to find Emily’s death and was interested to read she took up with several other fellows after the birth of her last child. Can you put me in touch with someone that descends from the Crawford family so I can put the pieces together.

According to the information on your site Emily had four children to Crawford. I wonder if the two families knew about each other? The family reunion at Bedgerabong several years ago didn’t really mention this other family.

Thank you for your help, Robyn Croft

Hi Robyn,

Thanks for the information, any contributor contact information would listed on the family web pages concerned.

Regards, Ian

From: Heather Macdonald
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2010 10:39 AM
Subject: Fw: LEWIS of Bega

further searches have revealed the Margaret who died in Bemboka was actually the wife of John Charles Lewis, so my speculation down that line was incorrect, very sorry to give you that wrong info....

would love to know if anyone has any certs etc that shows any info on Margaret wife of Henry?

Heather

Thanks,

Regards, Ian

From: Rhonda Brownlow
Sent: Saturday, 2 January 2010 6:46 PM
Subject: Richard Venables

Could I please have a copy of the photo of Richard Venables d 1845 in Sydney. His widow married Edward Clements and I am updating my Clements file

Cheers Rhonda

Hi Rhonda,

You should be able to copy any photos from the pages you display when you link to the Venables webpage. Use the Click/Copy/Paste method.

Regards, Ian

From: Judy Jamieson
Sent: Saturday, 2 January 2010 5:35 PM
Subject: Photos

I have just noticed that the photos I sent in for the Thomas Jones file have mixed labels-the one labelled May is Jessama and the one labelled Jessama is May-sorry I did not notice it before. Thanks-Judy Jamieson

Hi Judy,

No problem, all fixed.

Regards, Ian

From: Annette Gibson
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2010 12:00 PM
Subject: re;

Hi Ian,

I was looking on your site for information on my grand father Aurthur James Robinson. I saw that the imformation stops at him. I can give you imformation about his marriage, children, grandchildren and great grand children if you would like to up date . I am his grand daughter Annette Gibson (Robinson)

from Annette

Hi Annette,

We would be very grateful for any information you can contribute.

Regards, Ian

From: Heather Macdonald

Sent: Friday, 1 January 2010 9:53 PM
Subject: LEWIS of Bega

My name is Heather Macdonald and i have been researching the tree of my brother in law Jason LEWIS who is descended from the Ernest LEWIS b. 1885 Bega you have listed on the Monaro Pioneer site which i have just found.

I know Ernest m. 1921 Burwood to Ruby Jane Couper b. 1887 Argyle NSW (John & Mary Couper nee Chapman) and i have found 3 known children so far -

Reginald Ernest b. 1922 Flemington (served ww2 with Ernest as n.o.k)

Isabel M b. bet 1923-1926 d. 1926 Burwood

John Henry b. bef1928 who appears on the 1949 electoral at the same address as parents (43 Brad St, Croydon)

Reginald E (currently still alive) m. 1945 Burwood to Nerida Lillian Sophia Peterson b. 1921 (Carl & Florence Peterson nee Hampton). I have 1 known son from this marriage - Richard Ian b. 1946 & m. Joy Foster abt1970.

Richard & Joy have 3 children - Jason, Kim & Brendan.... Jason is my brother in law and is married to my husband's sister Maxine, they have 3 sons.

Regards, Heather Macdonald

Hi Heather,

Thanks for the information.

Regards, Ian

From: Sherri
Sent: Friday, 1 January 2010 9:15 PM
Subject: Nea Laycock and new information

Hi Ian

We have been researching my husband's family tree - amateurs just beginning but as he is descended from John Connell and Thomas Laycock - very early free settlers who arrived at the beginning of the colony - there has been a lot of information. Imagine how excited we were when we googled and found Anthony Falkner whom we already knew was part of the family history - and then saw all the info there that we had found ourselves over the last few days. - except we had not realised he was a convict! Family legend really goes back to Frances and Sarah Falkner which is how we started that line of investigation and we note that you have no information about descendents of Nea Laycock - daughter of Frances Laycock nee Falkner and Maurice Connell Laycock - and that is where we come in. The middle name Connell features prominently in every generation from the first one down (Mary Connell married Thomas Laycock) and my husband's name is Bruce Connell Roberts. His ancestor is Nea Connell Laycock and we have all the other information about her descendents if you are interested in adding it to yours.

We are also interested about Sarah apparently having died in 1848 but there is no death certificate mentioned. Family legend has it that "Aunt Sarah" was a spinster and lived to a very old age - I believe my father -in-law (who is Nea's grandson and lived with his mother and her till Nea's death in 1945) has some paperwork about Sarah.

Anyway - please email me back if the information would be useful to you.

Kind regards - Sherri Roberts

Hi Sherri,

Yes, we would be very interested and grateful for any additional information you could contribute to our project.

Regards, Ian

From: Glenn Milford

Date: 28/12/2009 10:41:47 PM

Subject: Daniel Sheehan grave location.

Good Evening,
I am trying to find the grave of my great, great grandfather, Daniel Sheehan. He died on 27 Apr 1928, Bega, NSW. I have emailed several people (contributors) from your website but have had no luck. Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you, Glenn Milford.

Hi Glenn,

I suggest you try the following .... http://thebegavalley.org.au/bvgenealogy.0.html

Regards, Ian

From: donteresa
Sent: Monday, 28 December 2009 9:49 PM

Subject: Angus Thomas Rankin & Anna Lavinia Dey Scanes

There is some confusion over the birth date & place of birth for Angus Thomas Rankin,[known as Tommy]. The Bombala Roman Catholic Church records his birth date as 10 December 1875 & his baptism date as 13 December 1875 & having been born at Native Dog Flat, Nimmitabell.

The children of Angus Thomas Rankin & Anna Lavinia Dey Scanes were:-

1/ William Harry Rankin [called Harry]

B 1907

2/ Samuel Ernest Clifford Rankin [called Cliff]

B1909

3/ Donald Roy Rankin [called Roy]

B 1911 D 2/2/1995

Married to Winifred Amelia Barnett on .

11/5/1935

4/Angusta Lavinia Rankin [died aged 3 weeks]

B 1912

Children of Donald Roy Rankin & winifred Amelia Barnett are:-

Annetta Winifred Rankin b.5/6/1936

Stella Dorothy Rankin b.8/1/1939

Donald Thomas William Rankin b8/9/1943

Anna Lavinia Dey Scanes remarried after the death of Angus Thomas Rankin. Her second husband was Harry Hart & they were married at Pambula on 29/10/1915. There were two children from this marriage, Cassie & Joan Hart.Thanks to Bev Martin whose correspondence in the last newsletter has given me six 1st cousins who I never knew of.

Don Rankin

Hi Don,

Thanks for the additional information.

Regards, Ian

From: Lea Davis-Lesiuk
Sent: 2009-12-29 10:34
Subject: Luton Brothers identification

Good Morning David,

Firstly congratulations on the magnificent job you and Ian do with this amazing site. I have a couple of ecommerce sites and have some understanding of the work involved in the process,

I have recently come across the attached photo amongst my mothers papers ( Muriel Esther Gladys Luton).

She has identified it simply as the Luton Brothers. I was wondering if any of your subscribers may be able to more fully identify it and also the gravesite they are standing beside as it is obviously relevant.

Thanking you in anticipation, Lea Davis_Lesiuk

Hi Lea,

Thanks for your email and the encouragement, actually Ian does all the hard yacka. I’ll attach the photo as well as your request in the Jan 2010 newsletter and see what interest it provokes.

Cheers, David

From: Lea Davis-Lesiuk
Sent: Friday, 1 January 2010 12:16 PM
Subject: RE: Family of Richard Venables and Jane Lovelock

Thank you – and I have an even more interesting photo.

This is a photo of Richard Venables 1847-1920 and his wife Jane Lovelock and their family. Whilst I know who the family is I do not know who is who amongst them although I could guess at some.

I feel certain there are many descendants of these families who would appreciate the image and who can probably identify individual ancestors to make this image complete.

The family is made up of :

51 M i. James Richard Venables was born on May 1, 1875 in Cooma, NSW,¹⁷⁵ died on June 22, 1952 in Cooma, NSW¹⁷⁶ at age 77, and was buried in Mittagang Cemetery, Cooma, NSW Grave 1336.

52 F ii. Jane Ann Venables was born on April 16, 1877 in Cooma, NSW¹⁷⁷ and died in 1956 in Goulburn, NSW¹⁷⁸ at age 79.

M iii. John Edward Venables was born on August 5, 1879 in Cooma, NSW¹⁷⁹ and died in 1970 in Cooma, NSW¹⁸⁰ at age 91.

53 M iv. Charles William Venables was born on July 21, 1881 in Cooma, NSW¹⁸¹ and died in 1966 in Cooma, NSW¹⁸² at age 85.

54 M v. George Eli Venables was born on February 4, 1883 in Pine Flat, Cooma, NSW¹⁸³ and died on October 9, 1974 in Cooma, NSW¹⁸⁴ at age 91.

55 M vi. Isaac Albert Venables was born on August 4, 1885 in Cooma, NSW.¹⁸⁵

M vii. Arthur Henry Venables was born on April 29, 1888 in Cooma, NSW,¹⁸⁶ died on April 29, 1954 in Cooma, NSW¹⁸⁷ at age 66, and was buried in Cooma Cemetery, NSW Grave 1337.

56 F viii. Eliza Isabelle Maud Venables was born on May 17, 1890 in Cooma, NSW¹⁸⁸ and died in 1971 in Queanbeyan, NSW¹⁸⁹ at age 81.

57 M ix. Ernest Abraham Venables was born on December 26, 1892 in Cooma, NSW¹⁹⁰ and died on September 25, 1972 in Kanahooka, NSW¹⁹¹ at age 79.

58 M x. Granville Oswald Venables was born on January 19, 1895 in Adaminaby, NSW¹⁹² and died on June 24, 1987 at age 92.

59 F xi. Gladys Grace Venables was born on October 4, 1897 in Cooma, NSW¹⁹³ and died on August 22, 1984 at age 86.

60 F xii. Vera Ellen Venables was born on August 21, 1902 in Pine Flat near Cooma, NSW¹⁹⁴ and died on August 21, 1989 at age 87.

Regards, Lea Davis_Lesiuk

Hi Lea,

Thank you for the photo, it is now displayed on the Thomas Venables page.

Regards, Ian

From: Puris Family
Sent: 2009-12-18 21:21
Subject: RE: MONARO PIONEERS NEWSLETTER - November 2009 Edition

Dear David

I read with great excitement the correspondence from Lisa Foster. My mother was a cousin of her mother Marion and her mother’s sister Helen Stockmen was my godmother. I lost contact with Helen and the rest of her family in the 1970’s and don’t know what happened to her, despite trying to. I would be very pleased if you would pass my email address on to Lisa in case she would like to contact me. I have many memories of her grandparents, I was born in 1948.

My email address is xxxxxxxxx(removed by editor) and my name is Helen Puris, nee Pawley and I am the daughter of Dorothy Duncan, daughter of Minna Thurbon, daughter of Richard Thurbon jnr.

Thank you, Helen

Hi Helen,

Only too happy to put you back in contact with your family. I have copied Lisa on this email so you should soon hear from her.

Compliments of the Season. David Knox, Monaro Pioneers Newsletter Editor

Dear David, What a wonderful job you do and what great joy you bring us all. I will contact Helen today and put her in touch with my Aunt Helen who is now 91 and still playing 18 holes of golf 3 days a week. You sure breed them strong down in Monaro country. I have the genes too, couldn’t kill me with a stick. Thank you for all your hard work and I am so proud to be part of this gutsy family. All respect to you. Lisa Foster

From: Michelle Ambrosini
Sent: Sun, 20 December, 2009 9:36:37 PM
Subject: RE: Donation
Hello Ian and David

Thank you for the reply in regards to my offer. I enjoy contributing and will add as much as I can when I can be sure ,via personal papers and BDM certificates, Etc, that the information I send onto you is correct.

I have attached two photographs found in my paternal grandmothers album which may be of some interest to the Cooma families. The first one shows 3 ladies, named , but in which order, I am unaware. The back of the picture reads like this. “Mrs. Freebody -the Cook, June Rudd -the Waitress, Mrs. Beale-owner of the Pub. Taken in the Park in Cooma.”

The 2^nd pic shows a Pub front with 3 persons in front with a lot of snow on the streets- marked on the back is “Front of Pub,Sharp street Cooma” My mother tells me these pics were possibly taken in the very late 1940’s-very early 1950’s.

I am not sure which Pioneer page to pop these on but considering that there is a Freebody named on the picture they should be ok to go on the Freebody page? Maybe someone may be able recognise the faces and clarify who is who.

Regards, Michelle

Thanks Michelle,

I have added the photos to the Freebody page.

Regards, Ian

From: Gail Newman
Sent: Tuesday, 29 December 2009 9:28 AM
Subject:

Hello Ian,
I have been trying to contact a contributor of your Monaro Pioneers site, Cassandra Fox without success and am seeking your assistance. Cassandra has Foster family genealogy on this site, my gr gr grandmother was Elizabeth/Letitia Saunders (she used both names), she was the daughter of John Saunders and Letitia McMillan. John and Letitia also had a son Alexander who married Caroline Foster 1921 at Cooma, Alexander d1933 at Cooma.
Letitia Saunders died in 1860 the same year my gr gr grandmother was born, I have been unable to trace John Saunders from this point except for a death notice which gives his parents as James and Mary. I was hoping to be able to contact descendants of Alexander and Caroline with the possibility of furthering my research, I do have information on the McMillan family which they may also be interested in. If you could help in any way I would be most grateful.
kind regards Gail Newman

Hi Gail,

The only address I have for Cassandra is xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx(removed by editor)

Regards, Ian

Hi Ian,
Thanks, mail to this address is not being delivered, but your site has helped by giving me Alexanders wifes name and I have sent msgs to people on ancestry who have her in their tree so fingers crossed. Your site has been a great help to me, my grandfathers family came from Bega and I have been able to fill gaps, in my research I am often led back to your site and I appreciate the work that has gone into it. Just a side issue, my gr grandmother was Amy Fisher who is listed on your site - her mother was Eliza Day who married George Day, that is where I found the link to Amy. Prior to Amy's marriage to Sarge Miller she gave birth to my grandfather, his birth was registered as Frederick Joseph Fisher and no father was recorded, however as my grandfather was raised from a young age by his Lindwall grandparents- Neils and Julia - we know he was the son of Frederick Joseph Lindwall. When I began my research I discovered that my grandfather was neither in Lindwall or Fisher trees, but he is now being recognised in some of these trees.
Thanks again for your site and for taking the time to reply.
regards Gail

From: Dawn Coleman
Sent: Wednesday, 30 December 2009 4:45 PM
Subject: William DENT

Dear Ian,

I accidently hit the Send button and at the same time deleted my last email to you, so ... will have another go.

Some months ago I sent you a photo which you put onto the Dent page with a note asking if anyone could confirm the names of the people. I've since done some more research and come up with the following caption which you might like to substitute.

Standing: James JOHNSON 44 years of age and wife Mary (DENT) [33] - Skelton HEAD and wife Anne [DENT) [31]

William DENT [29] wife Emily Jane (ELTON) - Isaac Dent [27] wife Margaret Helen (LESLIE)

Sitting: Charles DENT [23] - Susan and William DENT both aged 60 - Charles' wife Clara Mary (FORD)

Centre front: JOHNSON daughters Sussanah [9] Margaret [11] and Eliza [13]

N.B. Names and date are based on family resemblances, age of Johnson daughters and marriages of Dent sons and daughters which narrows date down to between 1868 when Charles Dent married Clara Mary (FORD) and 1870 when Skelton Head was killed in a shearing accident. Given the seating arrangement, with Charles and Clara taking "centre stage" alongside Susan and William, this photo may actually be commemorating their wedding on 29th October, 1868.

Regards Dawn Coleman

Thanks Dawn,

Regards, Ian

From: robert
Sent: 2009-12-29 05:18
Subject: RE: MONARO PIONEERS NEWSLETTER - December 2009 Edition

Hello

Do you have any information on Hilda Grace Davis nee Taylor her husband Edward Robert Davis was the Post Master at Nimitibell in the early 1900’s.

Thanks Helen

Hi Helen,

Have you tried searching our database?

Regards, Ian

What is the link to the database.

Helen, Thanks

The link is prominent on our home page .... www.monaropioneers.com

Regards, Ian

From: Beverley Hyssett

Sent: Wednesday, 30 December 2009 7:17 PM

Subject: Oliver William Nassau Hinde

I have just looked at your site on rootsweb.com and would like to give you some information about O. W. N. Hindeborn 1860. My husband's grandmother was Oliver William Nassau Hinde's sister. He was born 28th May 1860 at Paterson, NSW where his father had been appointed senior constable of police having previously served in the Irish constabulary. His parents, Oliver Hinde, baptised 3 Jan 1820, Athlone, Roscommon,Ireland and Mary Hamilton Hall, baptised 18 Feb 1831 at St Anne's, Belfast, Ireland were married at that church 9 Dec 1852 and emigrated to Sydney in 1858. They were married by the Rev Nassau Cathend. Hence the name Oliver was given, Nassau not Nassor.

Regards, Beverley Hyssett

Hi Beverley,

Thank you for the information.

Regards, Ian

From: JA M

Date: 20/12/2009 6:21:31 PM

Subject: Marcella McDonald descendant correction

Patrick
Apologies if you are not the correct person to direct corrections to the Monaro Pioneers database to but your email is the only one I could find.
With regards to the marriage of Catherine H Ebzery (daughter of Marther McDonald 22 June 1871-1965) born 1900 in Candelo, NSW to Walter Joseph Brennan in 1939 Glen Innes, NSW. This is incorrect
Marjorie Catherine Ebzery Married Grattan Vincent Walsh on 23 May 1931 (NSW marriage cert 224395). This is the correct name on the marriage certificate however she was christened Catherine Marjory Ebzery. Regards, Jenny McDonald

Hi Jenny,

Thanks for letting us know.

Regards, Ian

From: Michelle Ambrosini
Sent: Thursday, 31 December 2009 6:16 PM
Subject: More photos for Monaro Pioneers site

Hello Ian

I have some photos which I would like added to the Henry Hoad site.

1.John Henry William Hoad (son of Henry “Harrie” Hoad and Mary Ann Hoadley) with his wife Eliza (Clifton) and daughters Irene (Marsh),Gladys (Flanagan/Sellers) and son Aubrey Eric Hoad. (photo courtesty of Bruce Bailey-grandson of Gladys Hoad)

2.Aubrey Eric Hoad 1916 (From my personal Collection)

3.Clifton Henry James Hoad 1916 (Courtesy of Bruce Bailey)

4.John Henry William Hoad.(Courtesy of Bruce Bailey)

5.Aubrey Eric Hoad –extreme right-with friends c 1930 (from my personal collection)

6. Back row- Edwin William “Dick” Bridle, Clifton Henry James Hoad, Bob Wilkinson,

Front left seated, Aubrey Eric Hoad and Billy Jenkinson “Tumut Boys.” (Courtesy of Bruce Bailey)

Kind regards. And happy New Year, Michelle

Hi Michelle,

Thank you, the photos are now displayed on the Hoad web page.

Regards, Ian

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