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December 2009

New files & updates:

The following files have been compiled from the new Monaro Pioneers database. Some of these files may contain additional research undertaken by Ian Harvey.

William Forrester  -  New file  -  http://www.monaropioneers.com/Forrester-William.htm 

Henry Josiah Harris  -  New file  -  http://www.monaropioneers.com/Harris-HenryJ.htm 

Patrick Casey  -  Replacement file  -  http://www.monaropioneers.com/Casey_Patrick.htm 

Robert George Britt  -  Replacement file  -  http://www.monaropioneers.com/Britt-rg.htm 

Robert Crowe  -  Replacement file  -  http://www.monaropioneers.com/crowe-r.htm 

William Dunn  -  Replacement file  -  http://www.monaropioneers.com/Dunn-William.htm 

George Eccleston  -  Replacement file  -  http://www.monaropioneers.com/eccleston-g.htm 

Timothy Foley  -  Replacement file  -  http://www.monaropioneers.com/Foley-Timothy.htm 

Robert Giddings  -  Replacement file  -  http://www.monaropioneers.com/Giddings-r.htm

Announcements:

 “The Monaro Pioneers Team would like to wish all our subscribers a Safe and Happy New Year, 2010”

Reunion of the descendents of James O’Brien and Mary Ann Smith

A reunion of the descendents of James O’Brien and Mary Ann Smith, and their eight children, who came to Australia from County Meath in Ireland in 1864. Most of the family initially settled in the Bega region of  NSW, but one girl, Ellen, settled in the Strathmerton/Bulla region of Victoria after marrying Thomas Branigan at Keilor , Victoria .

 Names prominent in the family include O’Brien, Went, Goward, Whitby, Hyde, Holzhauser, Smith, Peisley, Black, Pheeney, Branigan, Pinnuck, Brown, Webb, Collins, Coman, Holland, Duley, House, Madden, Meaker, Moran, Noonan, Rixon, Ziegler. (Of course, there are many more that I have not listed here and I apologise if your family name is not listed).

 Many of those who initially settled at Bega then moved to the Illawarra, Bondi in Sydney, the North Coast of NSW around Lismore, Kyogle and Casino, and the Sunshine Coast of Queensland around Woodford.

 Please contact your near and distant relatives about this function as we do not have the addresses of many family members. We would like as many family as possible to attend.

Date:             Saturday 27 February 2010

When:           10:00am to 6:00pm

Where:          Jamberoo Youth Hall

                      Allowrie St

                      Jamberoo NSW (opposite the Jamberoo Pub)                       

Cost:              $10 per family to cover the cost of the hire of the hall

If you have any photographs of your long past relatives, and your recent and present families, and would like them to be added to the wonderful book that Alf O’Brien has previously produced, please contact Barry about the loan of them so they can be copied. A questionnaire will be available for completion so that Barry can update the O’Brien Family Tree.

Please contact Barry (Gus) O’Brien at obrienfamilyreunion@hotmail.com for an invitation.

Current correspondence:

From: Vickie
Sent: Monday, 28 December 2009 10:36 AM
Subject: Plumb family

I see on your site that you have a few of my Plumb relations from your area. I have a correction for one such family if I may.

Charles Plumb born 26 April 1868 in Penrith NSW to parents John Plumb and Lydia Howlett-Plumb is not the one who married Hannah Churchill. This Charles Plumb(middle name William) married Agnes Engelman in 1894 in Bega,NSW .

Charles Plumb born 1866 in Cambridgeshire,UK to parents Charles Plumb and Emma Mansfield is the one who married Hannah Churchill. He arrived in Australia 1885 on "Lady Octavia" as a cabin boy aged 19. He gave his name as James but this was his middle name.

I have more on both these families and heaps more on other Plumb families as my paternal grandmother was a Plumb and was related to all of these I have mentioned.

Thanks for your time, Vickie Shears

Hi Vickie,

Thanks for letting us know. We would be very grateful for any additional information you could provide. 

Regards, Ian

 

From: Aydan Casey
Sent: Monday, 28 December 2009 12:33 AM
Subject: George DeCosta

Hello Ian,

Merry Christmas and I hope 2010 is a peaceful and prosperous year for you and your family.

 

Over the past few months, I have had cause to reflect on the life of my great-great-great Grandfather, especially with the passing in August 2009 of my Grandfather (who was George’s Great-Grandson), James Cornelius Casey, 3rd child of Elvira Elizabeth DeCosta.

 

Earlier today one of my relatives forwarded me a copy of the birth certificate of George’s youngest son Henry Custody DeCosta. This certificate shows George as the informant of the birth (which suggests his English skills would have been reasonable), it also gives a clue as to the thickness of his accent (even after some 12 years in New South Wales), his wife Elizabeth’s surname at marriage “Cain” is recorded by the registrar of the birth of their youngest son as “Hand”. It also lists her birthplace as “ Manly Beach , Sydney NSW” – whereas the Monaro Pioneers site has her as being born in Canbury NSW. (Not sure how I check this one?).

 

I also had the opportunity to visit Bombala and surrounds in September, to get a feel for the sort of life George would have lived. Must say, I was struck by the beauty and tranquility of the area….and can see why George DeCosta, like so many others from across the seas, was happy to call this region home.

 

Attached to this email is a photograph of Henry Custody DeCosta’s widow, Grace (daughter of George Graham Campbell & Frances Ann Chapman) tending her father’s grave in Newcastle NSW.

Regards, Aydan Casey

Hi Aydan,

Thanks for the photo, now viewable on the De Costa and Campbell web pages. Happy new year to you and your family as well.

Regards, Ian

 

From: Jillian Blight
Sent: Sunday, 27 December 2009 6:47 PM
Subject: Pictures of Higgins Family
Hi Ian
Please find attached photos of  Higgins family.
1.  Phil Hawke - daughter of Annie P and James Higgins
2.  Annie Elizabeth Higgins (Brown)
3.  Aunt Annie P Higgins
4.  James Joseph Higgins (husband of Annie Elizabeth Brown)
Regards
Jillian Blight (Collier)

Hi Jillian,

Thank you for the photos, they are now viewable via the William Brown page.

Regards, Ian

 

From: beverley jones
Sent: Sunday, 27 December 2009 4:37 PM
Subject: Ernest walter glass

Dear Sir,

What a lot of great information I discovered today.  A lot of course I have known as I am a descendant of Mary A. Webb.

 

My grandfather Ernest Walter Glasses' information is not quite right.  He married Ellen Miller in 1911 and after she got ill and died he went overseas with the army where he met Leonce Marie Belle. After being discharged he went back to France and brought her back to Australia and married her in 1920. I believe he was born in Nambugga, near Bega, and that is where they lived for some time.

(It is the wrong way round in your article)  You haven't mentioned Walter and Leonce's living children.I don't know if you care to.  These things could go on forever.

Cheers, Beverley Jones (nee Glass)

Hi Beverley,

Thanks for the information, Walter's given names are shown as Walter Henry on the BDM indexes and his Enlistment papers, is Ernest the name he preferred?  As to his "missing" children, we do not have any information on them as yet.

Regards, Ian

Dear Ian,

I confused you, my father's name was Ernest Walter Henri Glass. Leonce and Walter had 6 living children

 

Ernest Walter Henri   Born 4th April 1921

Phyllis Marie             Born 11th December 1923

Richard George         Born 22nd April 1925

Donald Roy               Born 16th October 1927

Vera                         Born 25th June 1930

Leon Roger               Born 19th July 1932.

 

Cheers, Bev Jones

Hi Beverley,

Thanks

Regards, Ian

 

From: Jillian Blight
Sent: Sunday, 27 December 2009 2:37 PM
Subject: William Brown - Additional Information
Hi Ian
I am a big fan of Monaro Pioneers as many of my ancestors are listed on your site.  I would like to make some additions to James Brown (William
Brown's family tree). I spent nearly all my school holidays on Hazeldean Station staying with relatives on my mothers side - Grandfather Brown (George Dawson Brown), Aunty Elsie, Uncle Art (Arthur) and Aunty Mary (Pendergast) and their children. We would get on our bikes and ride the 10 miles to visit Uncle Cecil and Aunty Ethel at Arable.  It was a wonderful, carefree life with many great memories and stories to tell my children and grandchildren.

/*16. George Dawson Brown */- born 19th Nov 1873 at Gedjedrick, Berridale- died 18th Oct 1968 at Cooma. George lived on 'Hazeldean' Station for 77 years.  He began work there at the age of 17 years.

Married Emily Ann Hawkins on 29th Dec. 1895 at Patricks RC Cooma.
*Children:-*
*1*.    Bertie Edward Brown - born 4th Mar 1897 'Two Tree' Hazeldean Station, Cooma
Married Lorna Ivy Bourke (daughter of John Robert Bourke - Adaminaby and Mary Adams - Cooma) 12th Feb 1934 at St Patrick RC Cooma. Born 4th Jan 1904 at Eucumbene Station Adaminaby died 31st Jan 1986  Griffith NSW
/Children:-/ 1.  Ross Ewan Brown - born 22nd Mar 1936, died 17th April 1986

*2.*    Vera Elizabeth Brown - born 16th Jun 1899 at 'Two Tree' Hazeldean Station, Cooma. Died 8th May 1986 at Cowra NSW. Married Richard Edwin Turner (son of Charles Turner) 3rd Jun 1923 at Cooma.  Born 30th Jul 1878 died on 9th Sep 1936 at Lockhart NSW.
/Children:- /1.  Richard George Turner - born 9th Aug 1924
                  2.  Cecil Thomas Turner - born 8th Jan 1927 - died 19th Mar 1954 (motorbike accident Qld)
                  3.  Arthur Bertram Turner - born 11th Jul 1927 - died 21 Jul 1928 (peritonitis)
                  4.  Elizabeth Vera Turner - born 21st Sep 1931 - died 16th Jun 1932 (meningitus)
                  5.  Dorothy May Turner - born 12th Aug 1935

*3.*    Cecil Sylvester Brown - born 8th Jul 1901 at 'Two Tree' Hazeldean Station, Cooma. Cecil worked on Hazeldean Station for 50 years.  Died 22nd Aug 1994 at Cooma NSW.
Married Ethel Muriel Adams (daughter of George William Adams and Phoebe Phillips) 30th Dec 1925 at St Patricks RC Cooma. Born 15th Nov 1906 at
'Springwell' Station Cooma (owned by the Litchfield family) died on 14th April 1981 at Cooma NSW.
/Children:-  /1.  Margery Cecily Brown  - born 1st Oct 1926 Cooma - died 14th Mar 2007 Cooma.
                        Married Kevin Agnew 24th April 1948 at St Patricks, Cooma (son of Adam Bede and Catherine Maud Agnew)
                  2.  Keith Lawrence Brown  - born  11th Dec 1929 Cooma - died 29th Jun 1994 Cooma.

Bachelor.
                  3.  Helen Margaret Brown - born 26th Sep 1934 Cooma
                        Married Owen M Rolfe on 4th Jan 1958 at St Patricks, Cooma

*4.*    Alfred George Brown - born 22nd Nov 1903 at 'Penders Spring' Hazeldean Station, Cooma. Died 11th Jun 1992 at Wyoming NSW.  Alf was an
avid flower grower and won many ribbons at the local shows including Sydney Royal.
Married Lyla Fitzgerald on 2nd Nov 1925 at Church of England Cooma.

*5.  *Arthur William Brown - born 2nd Jan 1906 at 'Penders Spring' Hazeldean Station, Cooma.
Married Mary Evelyn Pendergast 18th Sep 1944 at St Patricks RC Cooma.

*6.  *Alma Mary Brown - (became known as 'Mollie' because of similar names Alma and Elma) born 31st Oct 1907 at 'Penders Spring' Hazeldean
Station, Cooma.
Married Sydney Lionel Caldwell 12th Sep 1928 at St Patricks RC Cooma

*7.*    Elsie May Brown - born 22nd Oct 1910 at 'Penders Spring' Hazeldean Station Cooma. Died 7th Mar 2007 at Cooma.
Married Milton O'Dwyer

*8.  *David Albyn Hayden Brown (known as Hayden) - born 12th Dec 1913 at 'Penders Spring' Hazeldean Station, Cooma.

Reared Elma Estelle Higgins born 21st April 1922 at 'Pleasant View' Adaminaby - (mother Mary E E Higgins - Mary is daughter of Annie Elizabeth Brown and James Higgins Cooma). Died 5th Feb 1979 Canberra, ACT. Buried Queanbeyan Lawn Cemetery. Elma married William John Augustus Collier at St Patricks RC Cooma (son of James Peter Collier and Honorah Blake - Numeralla). Born 26th June 1921 - died 7th July 1992 at Wollongong NSW. Buried Queanbeyan Lawn Cemetery.
/Children:-  /1.  James William Collier - born 27th Sep 1943 Cooma - died 20th Sep 2000. Buried Bega Cemetery.
                        Married Beverley Fay Norton 17th Aug 1963 at Bega. Bev born 27th Feb 1946 Cooma.
                  2.  Jillian Anne Collier - born 15th Jun 1953 Wollongong NSW.
                        Married John Edward Blight 21st Jul 1974 Queanbeyan NSW.

Hi Jillian,

Thank you for the information, I have updated our records.
Regards, Ian

 

From: Bev
Sent: Sunday, 27 December 2009 11:30 AM
Subject: Rankin

Dear Ian,

I can add some family information to Anna Lavinia Dey Scanes who was born in 1884 in Bombala, NSW and died in 1969 in Gosford, NSW at age 85. She married Angus Thomas Rankin, son of Samuel Rankin and Catherine McDonald. Angus  was born in 1876 in  Bombala, NSW and died on August 7, 1912 in Merimbula, NSW at age 36. The cause of his death was Killed on Merimbula wharf. Their son Samuel Ernest Clifford Rankin was my father. He  was born in 1909 in Eden, NSW . He was christened on 20 Jun 1909 in Catholic Church Bombala NSW Australia. He died 21 Jun 1973 Repatriation Hospital Concord and was buried on the 25 Jun 1973 in Point Clare Cemetery Nsw Australia Section 5 Row 6 Grave 28.

He married Jessie Everline Amelia McAuliffe on the 12/1/1929 In Sydney NSW. Jessie was born on the 3rd May 1907 in Peak Hill Nsw. She died on the 18th June 1990 in Mt Druitt Hospital NSW and was buried on the 20th June 1990 in Kemps Creek Cemetery. They had 6 children

 

Mary Anna Elizabeth  Born on the 30/10/1930

Veronica Eva Born on the 23/2/1934 Sydney NSW

Catherine Joan born on the 12 Jun 1939 Sydney NSW, died 1939 aged 3 weeks and buried in Rookwood cemetery

Clifford Henry Denis Born 3/2/1941 Sydney NSW. Died 7/9/1997 RPA Randwick NSW Australia and buried Botany NSW

Brian Thomas Born 10/4/1945

Beverley Clare Born 19/9/1948

I can add to the above information if you would like. Waiting to hear from you.

Bev Martin (Nee Rankin)

Hi Bev,

Thank you for the information.  I have updated our records accordingly. 

Regards, Ian

 

From: Les hawkins
Sent: 2009-12-23 15:37
Subject: Use of part of the articles.

Hi – I was part of the group which regularly used the red shack (known as the Poachers Hut) which stood adjacent to Pollock’s Creek. It was destroyed by KNP in 1971. I have written a number of books on flyfishing and would like to use some historical data in a new book under way in which a chapter is devoted to the “Red Shack days”. I seek your approval & details of compliance.

Cheers & hope to hear from you. Les Hawkins

Hi Les,

You have our permission to use information from our site for your book.  All we ask is you make reference to our site as the information source.

Regards, Ian

 

From: Alan Mealing
Sent: Wednesday, 23 December 2009 3:57 PM

Subject: James Mealing b 1805 Wandsworth

Hello team 

I just noticed that James Mealing (born abt 1805 in Wandsworth, Surrey England) and his descendents have appeared on the Monaro Pioneers site, with his parents shown as William Mealing (1780-1849) and Charlotte Mealing (1786-1848).  Your details of James & family on the site are remarkably identical to those on my Ancestry.com tree, which makes me suspect that they've been merged from my data!  Which is great, it's how we all get much of our data (after cross-checking of course).

 

In fact William and Charlotte Mealing were my gggg-grandparents, I'm descended from their son Thomas born about 1811, which is why as a new migrant (1970) I also have an interest in the Bombala Mealings.  I would be very interested to know if you have other corroborating data about the origins of these pioneers, as unfortunately my data on William and Charlotte's early life is very scant. They may have had an older son, another William Mealing born around 1800-1804, who also took the trip to Australia but in 1830 and not of his own choosing (he was convicted of Larceny after a bungled attempt to steal the silverware of a lady in Hanover Square on Christmas Eve 1829).  

 

I would be very happy to submit any further information to the Monaro Pioneers project - I do have some data on the death of James' son William - his death in 1913 in Victoria was due to "exposure" and was the subject of a coronial enquiry.  These Mealings were true pioneers, having chosen to leave London for an unknown life in Australia, and raising their city-born boys to be stockmen at Kameruka.  

Regards, Alan Mealing

Hi Alan,

Thank you for the information, I have added James Mealing to our Pioneers Index with a full descendants report which shows all the information we have on this family.  I did some further checking and the immigration records show James' mother's name was Ann. We would be very grateful for any further information you can contribute.

Regards, Ian

 

From: Ciel Graham
Sent: Wednesday, 23 December 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: RE: Descendants of Thomas Underhill / James Rixon

Hello

I stumbled onto the Monaro Pioneers page by accident when researching some information on my late great-aunt and uncle (Edna Irvin & Roy Honeyman), when I found:

37. Ivy Edna Rixon (Elizabeth Anne Underhill2, Jane1) was born on August 6, 1892 in Bega, NSW170 and died in 1944 in Marrickville, NSW171 at age 52. Ivy married John William H. Irvin, son of Foster Irvin and Margaret Ann Cochrane, in 1916 in Bega, NSW.367 John was born in 1890 in Bombala, NSW368 and died in 1964 in Rockdale, NSW369 at age 74.

   F    i. Edna A. Irvin .

   F    ii. Edna Ann Irvin

Edna married Arthur Roy Honeyman.

   F    iii. Margaret Irvin .

Margaret married Thomas Alexander Muir.

(http://www.monaropioneers.com/Underhill-t.htm#Genealogy.... Also found at #112 - http://www.monaropioneers.com/rixon-j.htm#i11975 )

 

The most interesting thing (to me) is that this information doesn’t appear complete…  I am actually the granddaughter of Joan Irvin (b. 1921), youngest sister of Edna Ann and Margaret. The listing on the webpage has 2 Edna Irvin’s… no-one in the family is aware of more than the one, so believe that one of these may be incorrect.

 

Joan married George Henry ‘Harry’ Young and had two daughters, Margaret Anne (b. 1945) and Alison Ivy (b. 1952)… I, Ciel Jane (b. 1983, to Alison), am Joan’s only grandchild. Edna and Roy (both deceased) had a daughter, Valerie – who has 3 adopted children: Leanne (now Adrianne), Janine and Anthony. Margaret ‘Molly’ and Tom (both deceased) had a biological son, Brian, who in-turn has 2 children: Jane and George.

As you can see… there is a lot of name sharing in the family!

 

I don’t know what you would do with this information, if you are the correct person to contact, or if it is wholly important to you – however I found it wonderful to find some of my history in this document, and would at least like someone to know more complete and accurate detail.

Regards, Ciel

Hi Ciel,

Thank you for the information, our records have been updated.

Regards, Ian Harvey

Monaro Pioneers Project

 

From: Peter Beaver
Sent: 2009-12-23 13:20
Subject: RE: MONARO PIONEERS NEWSLETTER - November 2009 Edition

Hello David

Thanks for the latest updates. I found the information very helpful. I still owe you the James Thomas family details and these will be sent in early Feb 2010.

I noted in the list of children for Sarah Ann Dunn listed in the “William Dunn” file. There were a few more children that have been overlooked and they will all be in the Thomas family details for you.

I remain very interested in the history of the village of Lobbs Hole (Ravine). I have been compiling fragments over the years since my mother told me about her childhood there. Next year I hope to put in a more serious effort and collate what I have and then seek input from others who may also have some information they may wish to share to ensure this little piece of our history is not lost forever. I think there is a story to be told about this little settlement, and the families that lived and worked there, that has not yet been covered.

Merry Xmas to you all

Regards

 

From: rcconstable

Sent: Tuesday, 22 December 2009 6:05 PM
Subject: additions to Bray/Grant family tree

Hello Ian,

I would like to add additional information in relation to my great grandparents, Daniel Clarence Bray and Esther Ann Grant.

 

Daniel was born 17 January 1886, the second son to Thomas Bray and Johanna O’Mara. Unsure where Daniel was born, I can only assume he may have been born in Rocky Hall as that is where the family homestead was until it burn’t down earlier last century. All of Daniel’s siblings births are registered in Eden and Bega, but for some reason Daniel’s birth was never registered as I have not been able to locate it. Daniel died in his home at Rocky Hall, 9 December 1978 (Reg: Eden NSW # 200051) and is buried in the Catholic Portion, Bega Cemetery.

 

I have noticed that there is a limited amount of information about Esther Ann Grant, daughter of John Henry Grant (AKA Possum Jack) and Maria Love. Esther was born 1877, Eden NSW # 11422, and died 19 August 1968, Bega #37271. She is buried in the Wyndham Cemetery. Esther was married twice before marrying Daniel, they are as follows:-

 

1st Marriage: to Albert Ernest Henwood, son to Samuel Henry Henwood and Harriet, in 1901, Scone NSW # 4922. Albert was born in 1872, Scone NSW # 17316, and died 1902, Scone NSW # 3097. There were no children to this union. NB: Esther was married in the name of Ethel E. Grant.

 

2nd Marriage: to Linden Stafford Teague, son to Hugh Henwood Teague and Eliza Oliver in 1903, Sydney NSW # 7590. Linden was born 1880, Waterloo NSW # 7234, and died 1938 in Western Australia # 22. NB: Esther was married by the name of Ethel E. Henwood.

 

There was one child born to this union, Alice Thelma Teague (AKA Thelma), born the 1 December 1903, Sydney # 135. Thelma married Francis Edward Whitby (AKA Ted). I notice that you already have further details on Thelma and Ted in the John Whitby Family Tree so I won’t repeat myself, but just of interest, I was told by my father that their son Norman was killed in 1968 when he was struck by a falling tree while working out the back of Wyndham somewhere.

 

3rd Marriage: to Daniel Clarence Bray on 27 November 1912, Woollahra NSW #16601. Children to this union are as follows:-

 

            2. Harold Bray

 

            3. Darcy Bray (my grandfather) born 23 May 1917. Died  24 October 1995 in his father’s home at Rocky Hall NSW.

                Buried  General Section, Bega Cemetery. Darcy married Daphne Robertson, daughter to Randolph Robertson (AKA

                Rash)  and  Maria Ethel Sarah Warburton in 1945, Bombala NSW # 7647. Daphne was born 13 November 1920.

    Died 15 April 1993, Bega NSW. Buried in the General Section, Bega Cemetery.

 

I have further information on all of the children to Randolph Robertson (AKA Rash), son to Charles Robertson (John Love Family Tree) and Elizabeth Annie Robinson, and Maria Ethel Sarah Warburton, daughter to William Thomas Warburton (Thomas William Warburton Family Tree) and Emma Jane Hamble.

 

1.       Eric Robertson, born 1909, Stroud NSW # 3327.

 

2.       Laurence Avon Robertson, born 1911, Stroud NSW # 9474. Died 1944, Kogarah NSW # 9811. Buried  Wyndham Cemetery.. Married Vera M. Smith in 1934, Bega NSW # 15246.

 

3.       Bessie Robertson, born 6 February 1913, Dungog NSW. Died July 2006.

Married Charles Edward Bray, son to Richard John Bray and Margaret Mary Kerr in 1935, Eden NSW # 17995.

Charles was born 1900, Eden NSW # 3012. Died 18 July 1989. Late of Pambula.

 

(NB: I’ve noticed your site already has certain information on Charles and Bessie’s children. Even though my information is not precise, I’ve picked my father’s brains and the following birth order might be more correct).

 

1.       Iris Margaret Bray (twin) born 1936. Died  5 June 2003.

Married Kenneth Lanesbury

 

2.       Elizabeth Mary Bray (AKA Betty) (twin) born 1936. Died 11 August 2009, Bega NSW.

      Married William Archibald Flood (AKA Billy) in 1958, Bega NSW # 7019.

 

3.       Kathleen Anne Bray born 2 December 19 ? .

Married Walter Leslie Smith (AKA Les) 1958, Bega NSW # 18548.

2nd Married Peter Bennett.

3rd Married Kevin George.

 

4.       Charles Bray born 31 March 1940.

Married Lorraine Iva Elsie Radford, daughter to Percy Radford and Lillian Williams in July 1967, Pambula NSW. Lorraine was born 27 November 1948, Pambula NSW.  2nd relationship with Janelle Umback.

 

5.       Elaine Bray

Married Robert Keating

 

6.       Keith Bray born 11 June 1943.

Married Laura McCamish

 

7.       John William Bray born April 1945.

Married Gayle Brand.

 

8.       Vincent James Bray born 3 December 1946.

Married Sandra Maria Brown on 23 November 1968, St Peter’s Catholic Church, Pambula NSW. Sandra was born 16 January 1949, daughter to James Henry Brown and Stella Mary Thomas.

 

9.       Julia Magdalene Bray

Married Trevor Billet.

 

4.       May Robertson (AKA Lily) (twin) born 1915, Dunedoo NSW # 26946.

Married Joseph Thornton (AKA Joe) in 1935. 2nd Marriage: to Frank Smith..

 

1.       James Thornton

 

2.       Eric Thornton

 

5.       Female Child Robertson (twin) born 1915, Dunedoo NSW # 26947. Died 1915, Dunedoo NSW # 8643.

 

6.       Keith Robertson born1918, Eden NSW # 41086. Died 1945

 

7.       Daphne Robertson (my grandmother) (twin) Born 13 November 1920, Bega NSW. Died 15 April Bega NSW. Buried General Section, Bega Cemetery with her twin sister Dulcie.

Married Darcy Bray, son to Daniel Clarence Bray and Esther Ann Grant. Darcy was born 23 May 1917. Died 24 October 1995 in his father’s home at Rocky Hall NSW. Buried General Section, Bega Cemetery.

 

8.       Dulcie Robertson (twin) Born 13 November 1920, Bega NSW. Died 3 October 1993 Bega NSW. Buried General Section, Bega Cemetery with her twin sister Daphne.

      Married George Joseph Murphy in 1944, Bega NSW # 8150

 

9.       Merle Robertson

Married Alan Henry Ross James in 1946, Bega NSW # 10023.

 

10.   Nona Robertson born 2 January 1930. Died 29 December 2007, Bega NSW     

Married Mervyn Ernest Whitby in 1948, Bega NSW # 20874.

 

Could you please add me to your Newsletter list please.

 

Just on a different subject. I have been researching my husband’s family tree. They are the Constable family who were a pioneering family in Moruya NSW. Its probably a little bit out of Monaro’s area but it any one reads this message and has any information they would like to share with me, please do by emailing me.

Regards, Cathrine Constable (nee Bray)

Hi Cathrine,

Thank you for the information, I have updated our records.  I am not sure whether you have used our database search facility yet but the family of John Oldfield Constable does exist in our database.  If you have any additional information you could add to the Constable clan we would be very grateful. Our scope of interest does extend well beyond the traditional boundaries of the Monaro. David, could you please add Cathrine's address to your email distribution list. 

Regards, Ian

 

From: Barbara Adams
Sent: Tuesday, 22 December 2009 12:59 PM
Subject: Re Xmas and New Year

Hello Ian,

Just especially to wish you and yours a joy filled Christmas and a healthy and happy New Year. The web site that you have spent so much time on is a credit to you and a continuing joy to many of us. I was particularly delighted to read in the latest Monaro Newsletter that a Britten descendant, Fiona Hamilton, Granddaughter of Thomas and Ethel has been in touch and enjoyed the photos of her 5 beautiful great Aunts. If it is OK I would love her email address as I would like to contact her.  Meanwhile I will go on enjoying those wonderful old photos.  I love them!! Anyhow keep up the good work.

Love and all best wishes, Barbara Adams

Hi Barbara,

Thank you for the kind words and your continuing support, the site is certainly developing nicely and I expect more developments in the coming year.  I would like to wish you and your family the very best for the festive season. David, would you please satisfy Barbara's request?

Regards, Ian

 

From: Angus Hobson
Sent: Monday, 21 December 2009 1:10 PM

Subject: Information for "Monaro Pioneers" site

Hi Ian

My name is Angus Hobson and I am a grandson of Charles (Tony) and Peg (Valerie) Garnock.  Tony and Peg own ‘Bukalong’, which my parents and I manage on their behalf. Tony has compiled a plethora of information over his years – mainly in regards to ‘Bukalong’ and his Lighthorse interests - and we’d be keen to see this passed onto you, and any others who may be interested and/or benefit.

Kind regards, Angus Hobson

Hi Angus,

We would be delighted to display the information on Bukalong and the "Lighthorse" on our website. Please send the information and/or images to me via email if possible, otherwise I can supply a snail mail address.

Regards,  Ian

 

From: sclissold
Sent: Sunday, 20 December 2009 8:31 PM
Subject:

Dear Ian,

My name is Sylvia Clissold, and I hold written evidence regarding the information I am emailing you.  If there are errors in any of the dates, this will be merely an error on my part.  However the information I am giving you regarding James is factual.

Cheers, Sylvia Clissold

Hello again Ian,

Unless I have misunderstood the emails between yourself and John Worthy, (8th August, 2009) I understood that the question was asked about a 

James Day 1815.

 

John Worthy refers to an IGI entry for a James, who apparently died on 30 Jun 1909, buried at the old cemetery in Tumut. 

 

He further explains:  My wife is a direct descendent of Benjamin Day 1860-1939 (age: 79) one of James' 11 children...James Day m. Mary Jane Harmer...parents.  

 

The James Day buried at Tumut, is obviously not the  son of Thomas (ll) and Susannah Stubbs named James Day, was lost at sea on the Schooner "ANN". 

 

You asked in your email to John Worthy, "Were there any other children from Thomas Day (ll)  and Susannah Stubbs".  So I clarified that they had 5 children, Susanna, Thomas, Richard, William, and James.

 

Thomas John James Day (lll) m. Jane Lockwood....no issue

 

The shaded information forwarded to you, merely follows the direction to the present generation

 

Ian, I was wondering if John Worthy may be interested in this information.  If he is prepared to forward his email to me, I may be able to fill in some blanks.

 

Regards, Sylvia...

As a descendent of the Day Family I would like to introduce information into the mix that should put the matter to rest once and for all. RE: JAMES DAY

Thomas Day (l) - Mary Clayton

Married at St Philip’s Church, Sydney

Thomas Day (l) born: 1764

died 2nd January 1824 (Age 60)

1 son: Thomas Day (ll)

Thomas Day (ll) – Susannah Stubbs

married Susannah Stubbs 27th October 1816

Thomas Day (ll) born: 1795

Died 20 January, 1868 (Age: 73)

5 children:

Susannah Thomas Day (lll) Richard William James

m. m. lost at sea on the Schooner “Ann”

William Underwood Jane Lockwood

No issue

 

Day

Minnie Rose Sydney Thomas William Edgar Arthur Richard Athol Harley Eustace Frank Harbert Bismark Leo Septimus

m

1864-1941 d. 1871 1870-1961 1873 - 1956

Rev. Charlton m.

Gertrude Oliviaa

Middleton Byram

1873 – 1945

____________ _______________

3 children 1 son

William Kenneth Charlton Cromwell Scott Day

1913 - 2005

Maynard Charlton Married:

Mary Charlton Margret Isobel McSweeney (Rita)

1912 - 1974

3 children

Clarence Scott Day Sylvia Margret Day m. Laraine June Day m.

. Mark Leslie Clissold William Thomas Clarke

4 children 2 children 3 children

Whayne Scott Day Anne Msrgret clissold David Clarke

b. 1960 deceased

Roland Scott Day Colin Mark Clissold Grace Maree Clarke

Kathryn Elizabeth b. 1963 Sally Anne Clarke

Ian Scott Day

____________________________________________________________________________

Anne Margret Clissold Thomas Colin Mark Clissold

David Kenneth Thomas m Beverley Anne Reid

1 child: Lucy Margret 2 children

b. 1991 Maddison Anne Clissold b. 1993

Jocelyn Louise Clissold b. 1996

 

From: Neil Martin
Sent: Sunday, 20 December 2009 11:19 AM
Subject: Thomas Dunn / Mary McNamara

Dear Ian,

Have been meaning to write to you for years but after receiving more family information I wish to correct details on your Thomas Dunn family (specifically the Morgan family) as follows:

 

Thomas married a widow Mary Morgan (nee McNamara) whose three children were:

 

1.    William Morgan b 03 Oct 1842 - married 18 Jul 1870 Elizabeth Kew @ Myrtleville, Taralga - d 21 Nov 1916 & had at least 7 children: Evan; John; William; Mary McNamara; Elizabeth; Llewellyn & Eleanor.

 

2.    Ellen Morgan b 04 Sep 1844 - with mother's permission married 26 Dec 1861 Nicholas Hoffman @ Cooma - d 13 Sep 1939 & had at least 14 children: Mary; John; William; Hedley; Michael; ? male; Thomas, Barbara; Lillian; Violet; Elizabeth; Phillipa; Annie & Walter.

 

3.    Jane Morgan b 08 Nov 1846 - married 05 Aug 1865 Eli Williams @ Cooma - d 28 Sep 1909 - no children.

 

I am a descendant through Mary McNamara Morgan.

Regards, Neil Martin  -  President

Temora Family History Group.

Hi Neil,

Thank you for the information.  I have been able to add another family to our Pioneers Index as a result of further investigation thanks to your information - Nicholas Hoffman.

Regards, Ian

 

From: Sandra & Peter Fishwick
Sent: Saturday, 19 December 2009 10:24 PM
Subject: NEWLYN -BERESFORD FAMILY

Hello Ian, my name is Sandra Fishwick from Ballarat, Victoria, I am researching the Newlyn family.  On your site you have a George Newlyn married to Caroline Edith Beresford 1896 the daughter of Joseph Beresford and Julia Dixon this should be Dickson.  This has been verified by the site NLA Australian Newspaper website.  (The Argus 22 August 1860 - Page 4) they were married at her uncle Bassett Dickson J.P. home at Glen Ayr, Tasmania.  The article reads as:

MARRIAGES

On the 24th ult, at Glen Ayr, Tasmania, the residence of the bride's uncle, Bassett Dickson, Esq., J.P., Joseph Beresford, Esq. to Julia, eldest daughter of T.S. Dickson, Esq., of Euroa, Victoria.

 

I also have information on Charlotte Newlyn (daughter of William Newlyn and Elizabeth Barrett.  Charlotte was born 3rd quarter 1844 Lambeth, Surrey, England and d1912 Ryde, NSW she married John Ellson (not Ellison which is stated on the marriage certificate) 22 Jan 1866 Pambula, NSW, he died 30 Dec 1902 Bega, NSW.  Left issue:

 

1.  John Ellson b1866 Eden (NSW BDM Index 8279) d1867 (NSW BDM Index 4958) Bega

2.  Emily E. Ellson b1868 Eden (NSW BDM Index 8916) d1889 (NSW BDM Index 5223) Woolahra.

3.  Louis Ellson b1869 Eden (NSW BDM Index 10447), d1949 (NSW BDM Index 20642) Randwick

4.  John H. Ellson b1871 Bega (NSW BDM Index 07173) married Kate MacGregor 1904 Sydney (NSW BDM 5749)

5..  William Harold Ellson b1874 Bega (NSW BDM Index 07676) dAug 1945 Randwick (NSW BDM Index 20318) married Ethel May Walbank 1911 Sydney (NSW BDM Index 649)

6.Charles Albert Ellson b1876 Bega (NSW BDM Index 08193) d1937 Sydney, (NSW BDM Index 20595) married Elizabeth Beatrice Dunn 26 Feb 1896 Wolumla (NSW BDM Index 894)

7.  Florence A. Ellson b1878 Bega (NSW BDM Index 09165) d1949 Paddington (NSW BDM Index 24468) married Albert Beard 1915 Petersham (NSW BDM Index 1754)

8.  Lyly Ann V. Ellson b1881 Bega (NSW BDM Index 14811) d1896 Bowral (NSW BDM Index 12955).

 

I have children to those that married if you are interested.

 

My relationship to this family is through William Harold Ellson, he is my Great Grandfather. Best wishes for a safe, happy and healthy Christmas and New Year.

Regards, Sandra

Ballarat, Victoria, Australia

Hi Sandra,

Thanks for the information. I believe Louis (Charles) Ellson married Florence Beatrice Dunn, not Charles Albert Ellson.  Florence Beatrice is listed on the Electoral rolls as living with Louis in 1943 in Randwick which is after the death of Charles Albert (Charles Herbert) in 1937.  Prior to 1943, Louis is listed on the electoral rolls as Charles but living with Florence Beatrice and some of his children..  Why he was called Charles is unclear.

Regards, Ian

 

From: Colleen Levett
Sent: Sunday, 20 December 2009 1:13 PM
Subject: Monaro Pioneer site, re Levett

Hi there Ian and all at Monaro Pioneer site,
Firstly, merry xmas to you all and hopefully 2010 will be all that you wish it to be..... and congratulations for another year well done!!
I noticed in your recent newsletter the email from vwp47 who was requesting information on Levett's in Australia. If you could pass on my email address to him please I might be able to help him with some of this, though not sure about the SA connection as most of mine after arriving from England were around the Maitland, Grenfell and Young areas before spreading further.

Thanks Ian. Have a good one! Take care, Colleen Levett

Hello Dave,

Colleen was interested in your recent email sent to the Monaro Pioneers website.

Cheers David Knox, Newsletter Editor.

 

From: Bryan Power
Sent: Sunday, 20 December 2009 8:18 AM
Subject: Power stories

Dear Ian,

I already have sent you a couple of stories: John Power of Wyndham and Michael Power of Kiah. I have updated those stories and also completed another 13 stories of the children of John Power. Prior to sending these 15 stories to you I am about to have photos added to some of them and intended to embed the photos in the text. Is this a satisfactory way of doing things from your end or should I send them independently of the stories?

Also I intended to record them as jpegs but they are large files that would slow the downloading of the stories from the website. Should I include them as some other file or is the changing to a 'web friendly' file something that you do as you load the material? 

Finally, I intended posting the stories to you on a DVD or memory stick if the files are too large for email transmission. If so, what is your postal address?

In conclusion I must thank and congratulate you and the other good people involved on the creation and maintenance of this great site. After 40 years of research and writing it is very pleasing for me to be able to make these stories available to any interested people in such a well managed medium.

With best regards, Bryan Power

Hi Bryan,

Thank you for the kind words and offer of further information. I would prefer to receive the photos as separate files with descriptive caption details for each.  Jpeg is fine. Whilst the inclusion of photos in the stories is a great idea and presentation method, it is not really suitable for our project because I include each story into the individual's record within my software and imbedded photos will be automatically removed.  Thus our format is text stories for inclusion in the "notes" fields and photos for inclusion in the "family Photos" section of the web pages we display. Could I suggest you send the information individually, ie the story and photos for each individual as one email to make it easier for me to manage the process?  This should also overcome any email size limitations.  If this still prevents any email from being sent I am happy to provide my snail mail address. There is no simple way for us to be able make the downloading of the various pages quick for all users as we have no control of their access method.  In the case of some of our pages the amount of information and photos is very large and it does take a little time to download but hopefully the rewards when completed are worth the wait. Most often we do make the images smaller in size to fit our display needs thus improving the download speed.

Thank you again for your wonderful contributions and I would like to wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas.

Regards, Ian

 

From: Michelle Ambrosini
Sent: 2009-12-19 23:18
Subject: Donation

Hello David

I have been lucky enough to be able to find invaluable information about many of my Monaro Pioneers ancestors..from the Hoads through to the Sims/Miles/Freebodys/Gates/Cullens/Eldridges etc and appreciate the amount of time and research which has gone into the site .I would love to offer a donation of cash to help keep the site alive and up to date so please inform me of where I can send/bank a donation?

Merry Christmas, Michelle Ambrosini (nee Hoad)

Thank you very much for your generosity however I understand the Monaro Pioneers Team to be a volunteer group and (I can only speak for myself) whose rewards are getting a great kick out of helping people such as yourself, to find out as much as they can of their ancestors. Our (my) reward is receiving letters such as yours. I have of course copied Ian so he can provide you with the official response but don’t be too surprised if your offer is not taken up. Take care and enjoy a safe and merry Christmas season .

Regards, David Knox  

Hi Michelle,

David's summation is correct, our project is entirely voluntary and free.  Pattrick Mould started the project with the philosophy that the information we have should be freely available and owned by no one.  I also subscribe to that view and have continued the development of the site and the database to its present form.  There are some small costs involved but Pattrick and I happily contribute to cover those so that the site remains available for all to use.  We don't ask for nor want any monetary contribution from anyone to maintain the site. As David says, the rewards are the letters and comments from folks like yourself who have gained benefit from the endeavours of all the contributors to our site.  In most cases, including your own, people generously give back additional information to expand and enrich the site when they discover their families in our records.  Thank you for the generous offer, but your contribution of information has already been sufficient to make you part of our large "family".  The fact that you have been able to make all the connections between your various ancestral families is exactly the reason why we have created the database we have and makes the efforts involved worthwhile. I look forward to additional contributions you may make and wish you and your family a very merry Christmas and a safe and prosperous New Year.

Regards, Ian Harvey

 

From: jo & steve
Sent: Saturday, 19 December 2009 3:46 PM
Subject: Info on Stanislaus Thurbon

G'Day Ian,

Would you mind passing this onto Nik A  please.

Dear Nik and Wife,

Re; Monaro Pioneers Newsletter.

I take it that you are talking about my G. Uncle Stan Thurbon, who was indeed a champion boxer in the 1920's. Unfortunatly after being selected to compete in the then Empire Games that were to be held in South Africa, The games were cancelled, not sure why maybe the depression, or political unrest I'm not sure, I  do have some 'photo's and newspaper clippings that I will dig out after Christmas, and post them on the Monaro news letter. Stan Thurbon was my grandfather's younger brother by 20 years. When their father William died,  William had a tooth ache, '' The boys '' took him to the shearing shed and pulled out the offending tooth, William then developed blood poisoning and died the day before Christmas 1913, Stan was only 8 years old. Peter and Margaret Thurbon also very young.  My grandfather also Richard Thurbon helped his mother take care of the younger children. If you look back on the pioneer site you will see a photo of Stan and Richard's mother Maryanne. As Murphy's Law would have it, that was the same  year a lot of the Monaro got flooded out in a big wet. Maryanne's house was either washed away or destroyed, Either way, Michael Galvin jr. Maryanne's cousin left her some money which enabled Maryanne and the younger children to buy a house in Sydney. It was there that Stan and Peter were introduced to boxing by another cousin Kevin Spillane. All three did very well at the sport.

 

As to Richard Thurbon sr.1817/1881, he did indeed commit suicide, I found the inquest on mirco-fysh. The inquest was by a circuit judge  12/1/81 held in Good Good.

Findings; death by suicide, hanging. value of worth 1,500 pounds. There was a will dated 1879. which left equal shares to his wife and children.  His head stone reads.

Richard Thurbon 1818/1881.  Native of London.  "Go home to your wife and don't cry''   erected by his loving family.

Thanks Ian, and do have a great Christmas and New Year.    Regards Johanna

Hi Nik,

Joanna ask me to pass this information to you,

Cheers, David Knox, Monaro Pioneers Newsletter Editor

 

From: John Dugdale
Sent: Saturday, 19 December 2009 2:42 PM
Subject: Crawfords

Ian: Season's greetings to you, too.

The latest newsletter contains an enquiry from Ross Anderson re. his wife's Archibald Crawford's antecedents.

My story of the Stapleton family, and in particular the Alexander Crawford's and family arrival in Sydney and movement to the Monaro might be of relevance to Ross's need for information about the Crawfords.  This is in your data base. I would welcome Ross's approach to me if he thinks it would be worthwhile.  You may convey my email address to him if you wish.

Best wishes. John Dugdale

Hello Ross,

In response to your recent enquiry to the Monaro Pioneers website we have received this reply from John. Good luck with your future research.

Cheers, David Knox, Monaro Pioneers Newsletter Editor

 

From: Greg Thorp
Sent: Saturday, 19 December 2009 12:02 AM
Subject: Monaro Pioneers George Thorp

Dear Ian
1. Would you kindly alter my email address on the Thorp entry .
2.With reference to. Annie May Thorp  born in 1888 in Adaminaby, NSW5 and died in 1965 in Wagga Wagga, NSW6 at age 77. Other names for Annie were Nance and Annie May Ricketts. (Adopted)

I spent a lot of time trying to find her mother's  birth name without success though  it was always  known to the family  whom her later  knighted  father was. If your records show, could you kindly advise me how conclusive the name of Ricketts is . It does not come up on a normal birth search for that time but obviously information has been supplied to cause it to be added to the profile.
Thanks in advance, Greg Thorp

Hi Greg,

Your requested change has been made.  We have no supporting information to assist in your quest unfortunately.

Regards, Ian

 

From: Fay Richardson

Sent: Friday, 18 December 2009 11:26 PM
Subject: Ann ward SMH 25 July 1843

Hi Ian

In the latest newsletter under the the  reference SMH 25 JUly 1843 regarding  the death of Ann Ward(nee Uren). Would you know change the website to show under the Heading Notes : regarding Ann Uren where it says "Ann and her husband moved to the Monaro".It should read "Ann and her SON (Cooma Joe) moved to the Monaro

Regards, Fay Richardson

Hi Fay,

Your requested amendment has been made. 

Regards, Ian

 

From: Puris Family
Sent: 2009-12-18 21:21
Subject: NA RE: MONARO PIONEERS NEWSLETTER - November 2009 Edition

Dear David

I read with great excitement the correspondence from Lisa Foster. My mother was a cousin of her mother Marion and her mother’s sister Helen Stockmen was my godmother. I lost contact with Helen and the rest of her family in the 1970’s and don’t know what happened to her, despite trying to. I would be very pleased if you would pass my email address on to Lisa in case she would like to contact me. I have many memories of her grandparents, I was born in 1948. My name is Helen Puris, nee Pawley and I am the daughter of Dorothy Duncan, daughter of Minna Thurbon, daughter of Richard Thurbon jnr.

Thank you, Helen

Hi Helen,

Only too happy to put you back in contact with your family.  I have copied Lisa on this email so you should soon hear from her.

Compliments of the Season.

David Knox, Monaro Pioneers Newsletter Editor

 

From: Peter J
Sent: Friday, 18 December 2009 9:19 PM
Subject: Photo's of William Thomas Johnson family.

Hi Ian,

Do you have on your database or know who may have photograph's of William Thomas Johnson, 1848-1901, or his later family. He and his family are on your web site and they lived in the Bombala area.  The family is listed under Robert Johnson.

I am particularly interested in my Grandfather, Arthur George Johnson, 1883-1956.   I cannot find any in his family and none from any of his children,  now all deceased.  He came to New Zealand prior to 1916 and married there. The only photo I have is of Jane Barclay Robbie, W T Johnson wife,  taken circ 1911. Hoping you or anybody else may help.  If they can would you please give them my email address. 

Thanks again,  Peter L Johnson.

Hi Peter,

Any photos we have would already be displayed on our website, this email will be included in the next newsletter and may generate some interest for you.

Regards, Ian

 

From: Gus OBrien
Sent: Friday, 18 December 2009 8:20 PM
Subject: O'Brien Family Reunion

Ian

I would be grateful if you could advertise this upcoming event through the Newsletter. I hope to be able to contribute a file sometime early next year for inclusion in the database.

A reunion of the descendents of James O’Brien and Mary Ann Smith, and their eight children, who came to Australia from County Meath in Ireland in 1864. Most of the family initially settled in the Bega region of  NSW, but one girl, Ellen, settled in the Strathmerton/Bulla region of Victoria after marrying Thomas Branigan at Keilor , Victoria .

Names prominent in the family include O’Brien, Went, Goward, Whitby, Hyde, Holzhauser, Smith, Peisley, Black, Pheeney, Branigan, Pinnuck, Brown, Webb, Collins, Coman, Holland, Duley, House, Madden, Meaker, Moran, Noonan, Rixon, Ziegler. (Of course, there are many more that I have not listed here and I apologise if your family name is not listed).

Many of those who initially settled at Bega then moved to the Illawarra, Bondi in Sydney, the North Coast of NSW around Lismore, Kyogle and Casino, and the Sunshine Coast of Queensland around Woodford.

Please contact your near and distant relatives about this function as we do not have the addresses of many family members. We would like as many family as possible to attend.

 

Date:               Saturday 27 February 2010

                        10:00am to 6:00pm

 

Where:            Jamberoo Youth Hall

                        Allowrie St

                        Jamberoo NSW (opposite the Jamberoo Pub)

                       

Cost:               $10 per family to cover the cost of the hire of the hall

 

If you have any photographs of your long past relatives, and your recent and present families, and would like them to be added to the wonderful book that Alf O’Brien has previously produced, please contact Barry about the loan of them so they can be copied. A questionnaire will be available for completion so that Barry can update the O’Brien Family Tree.

Please contact Barry (Gus) O’Brien at obrienfamilyreunion@hotmail.com for an invitation.

Hi Gus,

Your reunion information will appear in the next newsletter and I have added the info to the news section on our web page.  I look forward to receiving your tree information to enable me to complete the O'Brien family information.

Regards, Ian

 

From: Jeanette Egan
Sent: 2009-12-18 19:54
Subject: ADDED Where is it on your website MONARO PIONEERS that Mary Jane Tindall later WILLIAMS--- father is ROBERT WILLIAMS & mother SUSANNAH TINDALL

Hi David,

I believe my ancestor MARY JANE TINDALL's later WILLIAMS ---father was ROBERT WILLIAMS and mother SUSANNAH TINDALL. PLEASE Where is that ---that used to be on your website before ???????????????????????

Kind Regards, Jeanette /Jeannie
 

My grandfather, WILLIAM GUSTAV KLEIN was the original inventor of the telegraph pole lifter who worked for the P.M.G., in 1930's in the NSW Strathfield Pole Yard, who never got the credit or recognition from the P.M.G. because he worked in their hours. A job otherwise for 80 men to lift. The P.M.G., took the credit for themselves!!!

Hi Jeanette,

Mary Jane Tindall is shown as a daughter of Susannah Tindall, daughter of Daniel Tindall on the Daniel Tindall web page.  She is also visible in our database via the search option we provide.

Regards, Ian

 

From: Michelle Ambrosini
Sent: Wednesday, 16 December 2009 7:48 AM
Subject: Photos for the GEORGE CULLEN site

Hi Ian

Are you able to put these pics on the George Cullen page?

1.Beverley Miller,Donald Miller (-children of Grace Vera Cullen and Douglas Gilbert Miller), Barry and Nelson/Ned Crowe-(children of Pearl Cullen & Bob Crowe) Front-Duncan Miller son of Grace Vera Cullen and Douglas G Miller.

2. Grace Vera Cullen and Douglas Gilbert Miller

3.from Left to right-Irene Mae Hoad nee Miller, Wendy Hoad, Grace Vera Cullen, Ruth McGovern nee Miller, Cheryl McGovern, William McGovern and Colleen McGovern c 1953 on the old 6 Mile Bridge over the  Eucumbene River .

4.Beverly,Irene and Ruth Miller c 1938- daughters of Grace Vera Cullen

5.Irene,Grace (nee Cullen),Beverly, Douglas, Donald and Ruth Miller c 1939

6.Joseph Morgan and Grace Vera Cullen c 1949

Kind regards, Michelle

Hi Michelle,

Thank you.

Regards, Ian

 

From: gayle pedler
Sent: Monday, 14 December 2009 8:47 PM
Subject: FW: William Linger file corrections = 2nd email

Hi Ian

Re my previous email of today’s date, (below) I have just received a transcription of Elizabeth’s death.

Her husband is recorded as Carl Bauer and there were several children. Death nsw bdm 08702/1908  Died 6 Sep 1908, Bega St, Bega age 57, father William Linger Mother Sarah Canney (this is probably Garner),  Buried Wesleyan cemetery, Bega 

Children on death certificate: Mary Ann 38 , Emily 37, Julia 35, Alice 34, George 32, Thomas 30-, Henry 28, John 26, Wililam 24, Eva 22, Laurie 14 probably Lawrence, also: 1 male 1 female deceased. 

The BDM indexes show Carl and Elizabeth as the parents except for Emily which has George C & Elizabeth.  There is a death registered in Bowral, NSW for Carl Frederick.  

I’m inclined to think George Carl not Carl Frederick was Elizabeth Linger’s husband but am only guessing.

Regards Gayle

From: gayle pedler
Sent: Monday, 14 December 2009 9:55 AM
Subject: William Linger file corrections

Hi Ian

I don’t like to disparage another’s research, but I think there is an error in the William Linger File. William’s daughter Elizabeth is noted as marrying Carl Frederick Bauer and several children are listed including George Charles.   The NSW BDM marriages indicated  Carl Frederick Bauer married Elizabeth Wheatley 1951/1878 Waterloo District.

George C Bower married Elizabeth Linger  367/1869  Sydney District

I think he may actually be George Carl Bauer who arrived at Two Fold Bay on the “Caesar” from Germany with his parents when he was aged 15.

One child is registered – Emily Bauer to George C & Elizabeth 7107/1871 Bega district   I think Elizabeth died in Bega 1872/1908 and I am following up on this.

Approx 1879 to 1890  children were registered Waterloo District to a  George C Bower and Elizabeth (Ann) but conversations with that family indicate this couple were probably married in Melbourne, of English background, and there is no family history of a connection to Bega.  They are buried in Rookwood cemetery.  -  Perhaps another reader can throw some light on to the matter.   Regards,  Gayle Pedler

Hi Gayle,

I agree with your suggestions and have altered our files accordingly.

Regards, Ian

 

From: Margaret Baker
Sent: Sunday, 13 December 2009 8:25 PM
Subject: daniel tindall

BURCHER   AIF nominal Rolls  -- Service Abroad  WW1

                                                                                                                                    RTA

1592     Pte       Carl Eric                                    12 LH                3 Aug 1915        10 Jun 1916

4676     Pte       Charles Frederick                       26 Bn                30 Aug 1915      27 Aug 1917

           Lt          Frank Harold                              2 MG Bn           17 Sep 1915      4 Jul 1919

            Lt         Harvey Steven                            8 Bn                                         10 Sep 1917

8748     Dvr        Horace Sydney                          4 FA Bde          30 Aug 1915      4 May 1917

7345     Dvr        Reginald Ernest                         5 FA Bde          30 Aug 1915      2 Jan 1919

3500     Pte       Raymond Percival                      1 Div MT Co       24 Oct 1916      25 Mar 1919

ALL returned to Australia. Contributor is R. J. Meagher.   MAB is my wife. RJM.               

Thanks for letting me know.

Regards, Ian

 

From: Sharelle and Jeff

Date: 11/12/2009 8:13:44 AM

Subject: mystery of Richard Stephen Peters Williams, brother of Gertrude Williams Seears, Son of Richard Williams and Amelia Peters.

This gentleman was my maternal grandfather, born 1878 in Bombala.  He died in 1929, when my mother was 6 years old, in Warracknabeal Victoria. She and her mother were told by Richard that he had no siblings, as his only sister Gertie had died as a child.

In fact, we now know that Gertrude and many other siblings were alive at the time that he died. Gertrude was listed as his next of kin in his recruitment papers to the Armed Forces for WW1, and she was contacted on the event of him being medically discharged and returned from overseas service. She later contacted the war office to ask where he was as he had made no contact with her, and she was worried he had died. The army confirmed he had disembarked, and apologised that they could do no more if he chose not to be in contact. He lied about his age when he married (reduced it by 10 years), and it seems no one in Warracknabeal were aware of his early life. Gertrude continued for some years to search for her brother (writing to the Salvation army and the Army on some occasions). We have wondered whether there was local knowledge of some sort of scandal that may have led him to leave and not come back, nor ever make contact with his siblings again. It may be that someone who knew Gertrude and her family might have some knowledge of the story if there is one. I would be very grateful for any information regarding this rather sad story.

Regards. Sharelle Taylor
Richard WILLIAMS. He married Amelia PETERS 1869 in Bombala, NSW, daughter of Joseph PETERS and Mary ROBINSON. She was born 1840 in Marulan, NSW, and died 1916 in Burwood, NSW.
   
  Children of Richard WILLIAMS and Amelia PETERS are:

 2  i.James Joseph WILLIAMS was born 1870 in Bombala, NSW, and died 1956 in Burwood, NSW.

 3  ii.Isabella Mary WILLIAMS was born 1872 in Bombala, NSW.

 4  iii.Charles Edward WILLIAMS was born 1875 in Bombala, NSW, and died 1950 in Burwood, NSW.

 5  iv.Richard Stephen P. WILLIAMS was born 1878 in Bombala, NSW.

 6  v.Daniel WILLIAMS was born 1880 in Bombala, NSW, and died 1958 in Goulburn, NSW.

+7  vi.Gertrude Florence WILLIAMS was born 8 Jan 1886 in Bungarby near Bombala, NSW, and died 1953 in Katoomba, NSW.

Descendant Register, Generation No. 2

7. Gertrude Florence WILLIAMS (Richard WILLIAMS1) was born 8 Jan 1886 in Bungarby near Bombala, NSW, and died 1953 in Katoomba, NSW. She married Ernest Edwin SEEARS 1904 in Goulburn, NSW, son of John SEEARS and Sarah PETERS. He was born 1874 in Bombala, NSW, and died 1950 in North Sydney, NSW.
   
  Children of Gertrude Florence WILLIAMS and Ernest Edwin SEEARS are:

 8  i.Doris Gertrude SEEARS was born 1906 in Cooma, NSW. She married William Thorburn CLARK 1940 in North Sydney, NSW.

 9  ii.Rita E. SEEARS died 1916 in Cooma, NSW.

========================================================

4. Amelia Peters (Joseph1) was born in 1840 in Marulen, NSW.17

Amelia married Richard Williams in 1869 in Bombala, NSW.48

   M    i. James Joseph Williams was born in 1870 in Bombala, NSW3 and died in 1956 in Burwood, NSW49 at age 86.

   F    ii. Isabella Mary Williams was born in 1872 in Bombala, NSW.50

   M    iii. Charles Edward Williams was born in 1875 in Bombala, NSW51 and died in 1950 in Burwood, NSW52 at age 75.

   M    iv. Richard Stephen P Williams was born in 1878 in Bombala, NSW.53

   M    v. Daniel Williams was born in 1880 in Bombala, NSW54 and died in 1958 in Goulburn, NSW55 at age 78.

   14 F    vi. Gertrude Florence Williams was born on January 8, 1886 in Bungarby near Bombala, NSW,56 was baptised on January 25, 1886 in Bungarby near Bombala, NSW, and died in 1953 in Katoomba, NSW57 at age 67.

Sorry Sharelle I can't help you, I have emailed this to a few people who may be able to!

Pattrick Mould

Hi Sharelle,

The only information we have on Richard Stephen Peters Williams is his birth and military service. I have found an entry for him in the Electoral rolls for 1914, 1919 and 1924 in Warracknabeal sub district.  We have no other information on him unfortunately. 

Perhaps you might care to contribute the details of him and his family?

Regards, Ian

 

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