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November 2009

New files & updates:

The following files have been compiled from the new Monaro Pioneers database. Some of these files may contain additional research undertaken by Ian Harvey.

William Daniel Burton - New file - http://www.monaropioneers.com/Burton-WilliamD.htm

New information supplied by Kerrie [sadmush-at-webone.com.au]

http://www.monaropioneers.com/medical_services.htm
http://www.monaropioneers.com/churches/index.htm

http://www.monaropioneers.com/businesses/index.htm

http://www.monaropioneers.com/judicial.htm

Edmund Lyons Walcott - New file - http://www.monaropioneers.com/Walcott-EdmundL.htm

Thomas Clarke - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by John Watson [watsonjs2-at-internode.on.net].

http://www.monaropioneers.com/clarke-t.htm

Henry West - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by Ronda East [jreast-at-skymesh.com.au].

http://www.monaropioneers.com/West-Henry.htm

Thomas Power - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by Ronda East [jreast-at-skymesh.com.au] and Carole Wheeler [casmic04-at-bigpond.net.au]

http://www.monaropioneers.com/power-t.htm

Joseph Henry Chalker - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by Ronda East [jreast-at-skymesh.com.au].

http://www.monaropioneers.com/chalkerjh.htm

Richard Brooks - Replacement file - http://www.monaropioneers.com/Brooks-richard.htm

George Edward Brooks - Replacement file - http://www.monaropioneers.com/Brooks-ge.htm

Samuel Josiah Williams - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by Alison Supple c/o Dennis Blake <elppus1-at-bigpond.com>

http://www.monaropioneers.com/Williams-SamuelJ.htm

John Bell - New file - http://www.monaropioneers.com/Bell-John.htm

Thomas Wellsmore - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by Brenton Wylie [wylie7-at-bigpond.com].

http://www.monaropioneers.com/wellsmoret.htm

George Nuss or Neuss - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by Carole Wheeler [casmic04-at-bigpond.net.au].

http://www.monaropioneers.com/Neuss-g.htm

Edward Snowden - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by Dianne Snowden [dsnowden-at-tassie.net.au].

http://www.monaropioneers.com/Snowden-Edward.htm

Alfred Luton - Replacement file - http://www.monaropioneers.com/Luton_Alfred.htm

James Aitkins Maples - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by Rhonda Buttery [rhondab-at-powerup.com.au].

http://www.monaropioneers.com/Maples-j.htm

William Blacka - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by Rhonda Buttery [rhondab-at-powerup.com.au].

http://www.monaropioneers.com/Blacka-w.htm

George Eccleston - Replacement file - http://www.monaropioneers.com/eccleston-g.htm

William Dunn - New file - http://www.monaropioneers.com/Dunn-William.htm

Anthony Falkner - New file - http://www.monaropioneers.com/Falkner-Anthony.htm

George Cullen - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by Michelle Ambrosini [mambro-at-iprimus.com.au].

http://www.monaropioneers.com/cullen-g.htm

John Fitzgerald - New file - http://www.monaropioneers.com/Fitzgerald-John.htm

William Hoad - Replacement file - with some additional information supplied by Michelle Ambrosini [mambro-at-iprimus.com.au].

http://www.monaropioneers.com/Hoad-William.htm

Announcements:

“On behalf of the Monaro Pioneers Team I would like to wish everyone a Safe and Happy Christmas”

Mid nineteenth century English Christening Cup with an Australian connection

An interesting request from one of our readers regarding a Christening Cup. If anyone has any information or suggestions for Peter & Janis I have included their email address so you can make direct contact.

Current correspondence:

From: Kasey TROTTER

Sent: Monday, 23 November 2009 4:13 PM

Subject: Peter Ubrihien, Information for Ivy Rita Kelly

Hello Ian

My name is Kasey Trotter and I am emailing you on the behalf of my mother Lynette Trotter formerly known as Lynette Young. We discovered

your website that detailed information on my grandmother Ivy Rita Kelly descendent of Peter Ubrihien. We see that you don?t any information on her besides her name and children. She was born 5th of September 1913, Traralgon, Victoria and pasted away December 5th 1968. Also the cemetery that Rosina and William Kelly are actually buried in is the Cheltenham Cemetery not the Old Cheltenham Cemetery and also Brian Kelly, Ivy?s eldest was born out of wedlock, Ivy did not marry his farther. Hope you find this information useful. WB. Kasey Trotter and Lynette Trotter.

Hi Kasey,

Thank you for the information.

Regards, Ian

From: gary
Sent: Saturday, 7 November 2009 11:55 PM
Subject: The tozer Family

Dear Ian ,

In the news letter I received Sally Easterbrook was enquiring about Mary Tozer who married George Ross who taught at Jingera school. The Grady family lived next to the Tozer family and George taught my Father Jack Grady and members other members of the Grady Family I was with my father one day when we called and saw Sally’s Grandparents when they lived at Appin. Mary has a step sister living at Jerangle. If you could pass on these details I be happy to talk to Sally. Thanking You Gary Grady

Hi Gary,
I have copied Sally on this email reply. Good luck with your research.
Cheers, David Knox

From: claw01
Sent: Monday, 30 November 2009 9:42 AM
Subject: Austin Sylvester Kennedy

Hi Ian

I am starting my family tree, and came across your site as you have my grandfather listed. I'd just like to point out a small mistake. Pop is buried at Sandridge Cemetery, not Sandgate. Yours sincerely Mandy Izard

Hi Mandy,

Thanks for letting us know.

Regards, Ian

From: jimwalford
Sent: Saturday, 7 November 2009 8:56 PM
Subject: William Daniel Burton Family History

Hi Ian

just wondering why William Daniel Burton family tree has not appeared on the Monaro Webb site as yet it is a Different branch to the other Burtons

thanks jim walford

Hi Jim,

It does now.

Regards, Ian

From: Ronda and Jeff East
Sent: Tuesday, 17 November 2009 8:08 PM
Subject: photo of Henry West 1811-1902 and Jane Power

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Hi Ronda,

Thank you for the photos.

Regards, Ian

From: Sue Luton
Sent: Sunday, 29 November 2009 3:09 PM
Subject: Web Site

Hi Ian,

My name is Glen Lloyd Luton son of Cecil John Luton. I have been looking at the web site and the tree finishes with the sons of John Neil Luton, I you are interested I can give you some of the details from Cecil John Luton's family. I have been researching the family tree. Your site has been very helpful.

Look forward to hearing from you. Regards Glen

Hi Glen,

We would be grateful for any contribution you wish to make to our project.

Regards, Ian

From: Jude
Sent: Sunday, 8 November 2009 12:36 PM
Subject: Update for Murray

Hi Ian,

Thanks for your reply about registration entries - before 1856 were church registry entries. Have another weirdy attached. For what it’s worth, your comments and the Newsletter is a wonderful learning tool. Thank you, Judy.

Hi Judy,

A very simple explanation really. When two marriages are listed like this example it simply means the couple had two ceremonies, usually in the residence location of both families and/or in different denominational churches.

Regards, Ian

From: Sam & Kylie Wooden
Sent: Thursday, 3 December 2009 2:29 PM
Subject: John Holmes - known as Jack - Served WW2

Hello,

I am looking for a man by the name of Jack Holmes who served with my grandfather in WW2. I have 2 photos of Jack with my grandfather but having lots of trouble find references to these men in the WW2 records. Any help would be appreciated. One photo is taken in the Middle East, Jack Holmes, Jack Rowsell and Lindsay Pearse are in the pictures. Cheers, Kylie Wooden (nee Pearse)

Hi Kylie,

Sorry, we have no information that would help unfortunately.

Regards, Ian

From: GR Bentley
Sent: Saturday, 5 December 2009 9:29 PM

Subject: Monaro Pioneers - Eliza Warne nee Besnard

Dear Ian,
I have tonight come across your excellent website. I do not know to whom I should address this message, but if those related to Eliza Besnard wife of George Warne (1820-1896) are unaware of Eliza’s origins and arrival date in Australia I am able to help them. I would be interested to know if her father, Nicholas Richard Besnard, ever took her into his family or whether he attended her marriage in Goulburn in 1848. It seems not. The people who brought Eliza to Australia, the Finns, seem to have remained in Sydney. Eliza was the niece of my ancestor, Thomas Pope Besnard.
Geoff Bentley

Hi Geoff,

We would be grateful for any additional information you could contribute to our project.

Regards, Ian

From: Brenton Wylie
Sent: Wednesday, 18 November 2009 9:23 PM
Subject: Addition to geneology

Hi Ian

Not sure if this helps at all but I can continue the Pearl Irene Sproule descendants - in doing so I am hoping that others may be able to give further info, esp. on her brothers Cedric and Reginald. Pearl married George Wylie and had 2 children, Russell George Wylie born 19.5.23 , died 8.10.09 and Kenneth Wylie. Russell Wylie ,my father, married Norma Betty Costello and had 2 children Brenton Russell Wylie (me) and Nigel Norman Wylie .

Brenton Wylie

Hi Brenton,

Thanks for the information.

Regards, Ian

From: Jim Anderson
Sent: Sunday, 22 November 2009 2:13 PM
Subject: Request for information

Good Afternoon Ian

My wife Beverley (nee Crawford) is a grand daughter of the late Archibald and Ethel Crawford, pioneers of Monaro. We have recently been referred to this site and wondered if you might be able to point us to something specific about the history of her grandparents. Thank you for your time and assistance

Best regards, Ross Anderson

Hi Ross,

You have not supplied me with sufficient information for me to determine whether we have any details on your wife's family. Can you provide names dates and places for the grandparents and parents?

Regards, Ian

From: John Watson

Sent: Monday, 16 November 2009 12:16 PM
Subject: Family of ARJ Clarke

Hello Ian,

My Name is John Watson and I am the eldest grandson of Australia Rangy Jerome Clarke listed on your database (please note spelling of second and third christian names).Grandpa and Annie Rebecca Grace Wood had three children : John Ninian Graham, born Bangalow 22/04/1921, LLola Lavinia (my mother) born Bangalow 07/04/1923 and Rrhona Nancy Elaine, born Bangalow 23/01/1925. Rrhona passed away on 08/04/1960, Grandma Annie passed away on 02/07/1960, John Ninian passed away on 29/07/1964 and Llola passed away at Bangalow on15/10/2009 aged 86. My mother married Andrew Watson on 09/02/1942, I was born on 25/08/1942 at Lismore nsw, and my sister Patricia Anne was born on 23/01/1947 at Bangalow. I hope this info will be of interest to you. Kind Regards, John Watson.

Hi John,

Thank you for the information.

Regards, Ian

From: The Mushroom
Sent: Sunday, 8 November 2009 11:40 AM
Subject: RE News Letter

Hi Ian,
In regards to the Birth of Bridget and the 1845/1859 double registration.. This usually occurs when the details on a certificate were changed by parents.
The original record/date is kept but a new record (with same reg numbers) is made for the change of information and date it is made. Were the parents married at the time of the birth?? The birth was obviously 1845 as they couldn't record it in 1845 if she was born 1859,,,also 1859 would make her 11yo at marriage. I would say on the original 1845 registration either she was listed with no father OR under her mothers maiden name,,,,then by 1859 the record was changed to include/amend those details (usually is the most common reason). Although I have seen it done when (for whatever reason) the birth cert was needed but unreadble and the parents had to re-fill in the details. Kellie

Thank you Kellie,

Regards, Ian

From: Ron Sinclair
Sent: Monday, 7 December 2009 3:14 PM
Subject: Monaro Pioneers

Hi Ian

Just wanted to correct an error with Peter J A J SHEARER. His DOB is correct but he was born in Australia at Falbrook near Singleton. I have a copy of his birth certificate. I am related. Regards, Ron Sinclair

Hi Ron,

Thanks for letting us know.

Regards, Ian

From: Roslyn Odell
Sent: Friday, 20 November 2009 9:04 AM
Subject: Info update# I92558

Info update re Individual # I92558

Gwenyth Marjorie Kingston Born 16 July 1931 Married 31 May 1952 Dulwich Hill Methodist Church NSW Died 26 March 2006 Burial Bega Cemetery

Ros Odell, Daughter

Thank you Ros,

Regards, Ian

From: Bill
Sent: Wednesday, 11 November 2009 9:03 PM
Subject: Fw: 25 July 1843

Dear Ian,

While Patricia was gathering information for www.ryersonindex.org she found this notice which may interest one of your newsletter recipients.

Regards,Bill

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842-1954), Tuesday 25 July 1843, page 3 http://nla.gov.au/nla...news-article12423337

Thanks Bill,

Regards, Ian

From: PHYLISS DOWLING
Sent: Friday, 13 November 2009 3:34 PM
Subject: Connolly family

Ian, I am currently doing research into the family of Daniel and Mary Ann Connolly. I am in contact with Donna Gibbs. The family information on Daniel and Mary Ann Connolly was of interest and I am wondering if you could put me in toutch with the person who submitted the information in the hope they may have further information. Feel free to pass on my email address to them.The baptisms, which I have, for the four children all give Mary Ann's surname as Tracey, one spelt Thracey, rather than Healy as shown on the death of Catherine. As someone keenly interested in the Monaro I find the Monaro Pioneers site not only helpful and informative but also very interesting as many of the families are familiar to me. Regards, Phyllis Dowling

Hi Phyllis,

There is no specific contributor of the Daniel Connelly information unfortunately. Most of what we have has been supplied as part of other family contributions or research by myself. This family is quite obviously incomplete with many gaps needing to be filled so perhaps you may be able to help us to rectify that situation?

Regards, Ian

From: john.doyle670@ntlworld.com

Sent: Wednesday, 9 December 2009 9:42 AM

Subject: Monaro Pioneer Website

Hi Ian.

You have Albert Victor Hunter on the Monaro Pioneer website married to Mavis Clare Patrick. Here's some more info re this chap and his family which I hope will be of interest.

Regards, John

Albert Victor Hunter was baptised in Dublin on the 9th April 1899 :

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/e164890485670?n

ame=Samuel+Hunter&name2=&location=&dd=&mm=&yy=&type=&diocese=&parish=&century=&decade=&sort=&pageSize=10&submit=Search

His family and step sister Marvilla Agar Daly are on the 1911 census for Ireland :

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001431954/

Albert Victor Hunter enlisted in the Australian Army serving with the 12^th Light Horse Regiment and appears to have been involved in the charge at

Beersheba.

http://www.aif.adfa.edu.au:8080/showPerson?pid=147336

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=4377660&I=1&SE=1

http://alh-research.tripod.com/Light_Horse/index.blog/1852725/men-who-possibly-charged-at-beersheba-12th-lhr/

http://www.awm.gov.au/blog/2007/10/30/the-charge-of-the-4th-light-horse-brigade-at-beersheba/

He was discharged in London in July 1919 and stopped with his family in Toomebridge, Co Antrim before returning to Australia. His step sister married Dr Andrew William Palethorpe Todd from Dublin. He played rugby for Ireland just before WW1 and then served with the Royal Army Medical Corps during WW1, winning a Military Cross. He served with the RAMC once again in WW2 and died in 1942.

http://www.scrum.com/ireland/rugby/player/2394.html

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2929214

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/issue_pdf/admin_pdf/1/4244.pdf

Their son was Richard Andrew Palethorpe Todd the actor of "Dambusters" fame (among other films) who died last week.

Hi John,

Thank you for the information.

Regards, Ian

From: Don Herbert Snr
Sent: Saturday, 7 November 2009 6:08 PM
Subject: Margaret Power b.1845 m.1866 William Quinn

Hi Ian.

The wife of William Quinn, I believe, was Margaret Power b.1845 Templemore, Co. Tipperary Ireland, dau. of Michael Power & Johanna Doolan. Her DC records her father as Michael, reg. Dungog. Not sure what happened to Margaret Power b.1845 Queanbeyan District, dau. of Thomas & Isabella Power.

Do you have a recorded source for the surname of her mum, as ECCLES ?

With respect to Margaret's brother(s) William, I'm having doubts as to the deaths given in 1837 & 1838 respectively. The DC in 1837 was reg. in Bathurst District, and the DC in 1838 was reg. in Parramatta District. I'm wondering if William b.1835 & 1837 are one and the same, with neither aforementioned DC's. Brother Edward's BC was registered in 1837, but not as a twin to William (reg. in 1837). Edward's BC could be a late registration I suppose. More mysteries, but fun. Regards, Don Herbert

Hi Don,

Thanks, I don't know the source of the name Eccles, would have been supplied by one of the contributors.

Regards, Ian

From: Nik A
Sent: Monday, 7 December 2009 2:36 PM
Subject: Subscribe request, and Richard Thurbon

Hello David and Ian

I would like to be subscribed to your newsletter, I have found your monaropioneers website very informative. My wife's grandfather was Stanislaus Thurbon, bantamweight boxing champion of Australia in the twenties.

I am researching the life and times of him and his grandfather, Richard Thurbon, and I have been correcting articles at the National Library newspapers project - http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home

I have been unable to find any reference to Richard Thurbons suicide, or the death of Clara Thurbon. I have marked articles he is mentioned in, and Jingera and the Clarke gang as well. I have started to compile a timeline to help me put the events in perspective, and I am wondering if you know of anyone who might be able to provide me with a Thurbon gedcom file, which would save me repeating work others have done already. Regards from Nik Aleksiev

Hi Nik,

Our database search facility has a gedcom download feature.

Regards, Ian

From: Debbie Burgess
Sent: Friday, 13 November 2009 9:30 PM
Subject: Annie Burgess

Dear Ian

My name is Debbie Burgess. Barbara Harvy and myself have been working on the Burgess family for quite a number of years I have compiled our notes into book form at this stage 566 pages including photo's.

Annie Burgess was the 2nd eldest of 13 children born to James Burgess & Elizabeth Ball arriving from England and settling in Kiandra from their the family moved to Tumbarumba and the surrounding area.

Annie married/relationship with four males and had 14 children of her own. Annie was a midwife who travelled between Tumbarumba and Lobbs Hole.

You are most welcome to pass my email address onto Linda. Regards Debbie

Hi Debbie,

We have scant information on Annie Burgess in our database and it would appear you have much more detail on her marriage and descendants. Would you be able to help us fill in the blanks for this person? Any help would be most appreciated.

Regards, Ian

From: gayle pedler
Sent: Saturday, 7 November 2009 4:57 PM
Subject: Emma Linger married to James Higgins

Hi Ian

I have read through the replacement file for the Higgins family. There are no contributors names at the top of the file. I would be interested in making contact with anyone who might be a descendant of Emma Linger who married James Higgins in Bega District. My g g grandmother Sarah Ann Sirl was Emma’s sister. My main interest is to find a photo of Emma or her parents (if the photos exist). Keep up the great work. Gayle Pedler

Hi Gayle,

Your request will be added to the next newsletter and hopefully that will bring forth someone who may be able to assist you.

Regards, Ian

From: Rod Burrell
Sent: Sunday, 8 November 2009 5:51 PM
Subject: Monaro Pioneers - Robert Clugston

Hi Ian

Impressed your site. Have two small corrections. Under Robert (b1830) and Samuel (b1835) reference to them immigrating together incorrect. Sam (my great-grandfather) came two years after Robert. See attachment giving details.

Under children of Samuel (b1835) no xii Lydia was not a child of Sam but the wife of child no viii, Dugald. She was Lydia Louise Austin, daughter of William Austin and Barbara Ireland, and was a niece of the four Ireland siblings who had married four of Dugald's siblings.

My book "The Ireland Cousins - a Shared Heritage" published quite a few years ago includes a lot of info about Sam's descendants but there is only a little about Monaro. (A lot about Braidwood, Moruya and Ulladulla areas). However if your library would like a free copy please advise to whom I should address it. Cheers Rod

Hi Rod,

Thank you for the information. We have no physical library unfortunately so we are unable to take advantage of your generous offer. We would be very grateful for any further information you could contribute

Regards, Ian

Subject: Mid nineteenth century English Christening Cup with an Australian connection

From: "Janis and Peter Lane"

Date: Wed, December 2, 2009 10:27 pm

Hi David,

I am researching the below Christening Cup, Sydney Morning Herald, Thursday 29th June 1854 Page 8 col A, records 'By special license, on the 22nd instant, at All Saints Church, Sutton Forrest, by the Rev. W. Stone, Charles Lindsay, sixth son of John Nicholson, Esq., Royal Navy, of Newbury, late Master Attendant, and Harbour Master of Port Jackson, to Margaret, youngest daughter of the Rev. W. Stone B.A. incumbent of All Saints, Sutton Forrest'. It would appear that 'EFN' was the child of CL Nicholson & Margret (nee Stone). I could not find any reference to this girl. She may have died as a young child and was buried in a unmarked grave. If anyone can help clarify her story for me my address is janislane@aapt.net.au Regards. Peter Lane

Mid nineteenth century English Christening Cup with an Australian connection.

Inscribed: EFN / A Gift from / her Grandfather / The Revd. W. Stone / March 26th / 1857

Sterling Silver hallmark: a Lion, a young head Victoria facing L, GU, an Anchor, G.

Silversmith: George Unite, Caroline Street, Birmingham 1855. 'GU' mark registered 1832. The firm is now trading as George Unite & Sons.

Style: bulb shape with four round plates of which three have a pair of flowers and the other has been inscribed - see above, stylized leaf handle.

Dimensions: 75mm height, 83mm wide including handle. Weight: 73gms. Condition: Handle rather crudely soldered back on. Base and top has minor

dents.

From: Peter Kelly
Sent: Tuesday, 8 December 2009 2:19 PM
Subject: Michelago ( William Kelly Born 1799 )

Ian,

Would you have any photos of the descendants of William Kelly or is there somewhere I can attain them. I am the grandson of Michael & Florence Kelly their son Leo Michael was my father. My great grandparents where John & Bridget Kelly of Mt Cassidy. Thankyou for assistance, Peter Kelly

Hi Peter,

Sorry, any photos we have would already be displayed on our site.

Regards, Ian

From: Elizabeth Fortescue
Sent: Sunday, 8 November 2009 5:03 PM

Subject: Changes to Osmond & Venables family trees

Dear Ian and colleagues,

Could you please make the following changes to the John Osmond and the Thomas Venables genealogical charts, for the sake of historical precision. At present, the name of the mother-in-law of Stella Tamzen Muriel Sybill Osmond/Gibbes is recorded simply as Mary J. Gill. Kindly expand this to read Mary Jane Gibbes (nee Gill). Also, the place of death of Stella Tamzen Muriel Sybill Osmond/Gibbes' eldest child, namely Sheila Mary Jamison Gibbes, is given as Northbridge, NSW. This should be amended to read Lane Cove, NSW. Many thanks in advance for your help and congratulations on the continuing excellence of the Monaro Pioneers' Website. With best wishes for Christmas, etc, Stephen Gibbes.

Hi Stephen,

Your requested changes have been made. Thanks for your kind words and support, best wishes to you also.

Regards, Ian

From: Katrina Mcgufficke
Sent: Friday, 4 December 2009 2:19 PM
Subject: McGufficke Family

Dear Ian,
Hi there my name is Katrina McGufficke and I have stumbled across your Pioneer website. Firstly I would like to thank you for all the wonderful information on this site, it has made researching my family tree a lot easier. However I would like to talk to you about some of the information that I have seen and know to incorrect. An example would be Emma Rachael McGufficke (maiden name Bolton) & Edward James McGufficke, you have them listed as having only one child but in actual fact they had 9. I know this because these people are my grandparents and the one child you have listed is my mother. I can assure you that there are 8 more children in this family.... Would you like some of the information that I have found while researching my family tree for your Pioneer web site? If you would please feel free to contact me on the above email address for a chat, I'm sure we could help each other out....
Your truly, Katrina McGufficke

Hi Katrina,

Yes we have only limited information on this family because we have not received any additional information to fill in the blanks. If you would care to contribute the missing details we would be very grateful.

Regards, Ian

From: murrahouse
Sent: Wednesday, 25 November 2009 5:49 PM
Subject: Found my family!

Dear Ian, What an amazing amount of info you have somehow gathered. Out of the blue I was contacted by my long lost cousins (40 years since last conact). They found me through my Mother’s family the Thurbons from Cooma. So you list my parents Marion Alice Stockman and Anthony Fitzgerald Foster as marrying in 1942. Apparently so. In 1960 Simon Anthony James Foster was born and in 1962 Lisa Ellen Foster arrived. Simon never married nor had children. I married in 1991 – a wonderful Polish man by the name of Andrzej Gospodarczyk and our daughter Kyriakoula Gospodarczyk was born in 2001. Mabel Ethel Thurbon would be my daughter’s great Grand Mother. I have poured over your website since I discovered it and I think I am the only descendant to marry a European. I am still Lisa Ellen Foster as I have always loved my name and will not change it. My daughter is named after my lifelong best friend who is Greek and naturally she carries her Father’s surname. Tony died in 1985 and Marion died in 2007. Thank you so much for filling 2 whole days of an incredible journey into a whole world I was aware of but knew nothing about. And as I looked into the eyes of the photos of these pioneering men I felt a distant belonging and a deep gratitude for the powers of my ancestors. Thank you for opening this door. Best wishes Lisa Ellen Foster

Hi Lisa,

Thanks for the kind words, makes all our hard work worthwhile.

Regards, Ian

From: Carli McIntyre
Sent: Tuesday, 8 December 2009 12:35 AM
Subject: Descendent of George Frederick McIntyre b.1875 Adaminaby

Hello Ian
Firstly, congratulations on such a wonderful website. It means a lot to a novice geneologist such as I. I am a descendent of George King b.1802 London d.1879 Numerella. http://www.monaropioneers.com/King-George.htm#i121133 I would just like to make a correction on the details of a descendent of "16. George Frederick McIntyre (Maria King², George¹) was born on July 17, 1875 in Adaminaby, NSW,⁴² died on August 29, 1929 in Bungendore, NSW⁴³ at age 54, and was buried in Bungendore Cemetery, NSW Catholic section."
My paternal grandparents were Leslie Morgan McIntyre b.1910 & Ella Isabel Kathleen Andrews. Leslie McIntyre was born in Araluen, not Bowral. His birth was registered in Braidwood. Ella Isabel K. Andrews, was not the daughter of Henry Andrews and Hannah Blissett, and was not born in 1911 in East Maitland, NSW. Ella was born in 1903 in Slough, England. Her birth was registered in Eton, Buckinghamshire, England. Her parents were Charles Andrews and Mary Stone. I have her birth certificate which confirms this. I have attached the gedcom file of my incomplete family tree. Please do not hesitate to contact me regarding these details. Thanks again for all of your wonderful work. Kindest regards, Carli McIntyre

Hi Carli,

Thanks for the kind words and for letting us know of that error. There was no file attached to your email,

Regards, Ian

From: Maurice
Sent: Thursday, 10 December 2009 12:45 PM
Subject: The Fitzwilliam name

Sir

Interested in the “Fitzwilliam” part of John Tier’s name. My wife’s family are Fitzwilliam from about that date in the Dublin area, Christian name from that time is Mat(t)hew James Fitzwilliam. His son James married in Liverpool, England and then emigrated to Victoria, Australia in 1859-60 (no details have been found). We believe that they are related in some way to the Fitzwilliam family in the USA. Question: Have you any knowledge of where the Fitzwilliam came from? Maurice A. Collier, Bacchus Marsh, Victoria, Australia

Hi Maurice,

Sorry, we no information as to where the "Fitzwilliam" name originates.

Regards, Ian

From: c_har
Sent: Sunday, 8 November 2009 5:02 AM
Subject: Info needed

Dear Ian,

Please could you help me find out about a WWI AIF man who was injured during the war and was hospitalised here in England. His name was Reginald Hoare/Hore/Hoar. I am searching for him on behalf of my 88yr old neighbour Bette. He was her father. Bette's mother Bess and Reginald never married, though he did ask Bess to go to Australia with him when he was being returned by the army - he did not just 'cut and run'. I see you have a Reginald Hoare on your site. Bette's father gave an address: A Sunny Bank, 27 Highbury Grove, Kew, Near Melbourne, Victoria. Her mother and father corresponded for several years. I don't know how, or why they lost touch. She has a couple of photos of him in uniform and also a studio photo in a very smart suit.On front of studio photo is: 'Monteath, Melbourne'. She thinks he was a solicitor before War broke out. On the back of the photos are: 'Cape Verde'. He is pictured with other soldiers and nurses and the photo is marked: 3rd London General Hospital, Wandsworth. 27th Aug 1919. He was also in Andover on 26th Aug 1917. If you could point me to somewhere I can get in touch to find this person, maybe to write to the address he gave to see if anyone remembers his family, or if you could give me the correct address to enquire from the Army I would be most grateful. Many thanks, sincerely, C A Harding, (Mrs).

Hi,

Sorry, we have no information that might assist you unfortunately. I have included some web site links that you could use that may help.

http://www.aif.adfa.edu.au:8080/index.html

http://www.awm.gov.au/research/people/nominal_rolls/

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ResearcherScreen.asp

Regards, Ian

From: Andrew McGlynn
Sent: 2009-11-30 20:36
Subject: Britten Family

Good Evening,

As the grand daughter of Thomas Britten I have been fascinated by your fantastic website. Even finding photos of my 5 great aunts that I had never seen before. Thankyou so much. I would be very keen to receive your news letter as I have some photos you may be interested in at some stage. My mother was Enid Britten daughter of Thomas and Ethel Britten from Bemboka. Kind Regards, Fiona Hamilton

Hi Fiona,

Yes we would be most grateful for any photos you may care to contribute to our project. Please send them to me via email if that is possible.

Regards, Ian Harvey

Monaro Pioneers Project

From: Brenton Wylie
Sent: Wednesday, 18 November 2009 9:23 PM
Subject: Addition to geneology

Hi Ian

Not sure if this helps at all but I can continue the Pearl Irene Sproule descendants - in doing so I am hoping that others may be able to give further info ,esp on her brothers Cedric and Reginald. Pearl married George Wylie and had 2 children, Russell George Wylie born 19.5.23 , died 8.10.09 and Kenneth Wylie. Russell Wylie ,my father, married Norma Betty Costello and had 2 children Brenton Russell Wylie (me) and Nigel Norman Wylie. Brenton Wylie

Hi Brenton,

Thanks for the information.

Regards, Ian

Hi Ian

Thanks for your prompt reply. I am blown away by the speed you move at! and your ability to search and verify the genealogy and update your webspage on the pioneers. I am still very interested in Cedric and Reginald Sproule. So far from AIF records I think I have established that Reginald enlisted and went overseas as a WWI soldier returning in 1918. Some time after that he was obviously admitted to Callan Park where he ultimately died. I am sure you have other things to think about but any info always appreciated!!!!! thanks again, regards, Brenton

From: Ronda and Jeff East

Sent: Monday, 16 November 2009 12:42 PM

Subject: West familytree

Hello Ian,

I was very pleased to find the West familytree added to the Monaro Pioneers website. I would like to contribute some information and some corrections.

Henry West married Jane Power from Tipperary, Ireland. She was the daughter of Major Power of the 50th Regiment of Royal Marines.

Charles Edward West (Henry 1) 1850-1914 married Emma Harriet Harris 1855 -1932

1st child Elizabeth Harriett West born 13 April 1876 at "Gabramatta" Yaouk, near Adaminaby NSW married James Downey Johnson on 13 August

1900 at St Paul's C of E Cooma. James was born on 15 November 1877 at Dry Plains Via Adaminaby.

2nd child Charles Henry West 1878 - 1958 died and buried in Orbost Reg. No 25339 aged 81. married Alma Edith BRANK in 1920 Victorian Reg.

No 11003 About 1922 Divorced Alma Edith BRAND Reg. No 11003R

3rd " Oliver Edward West born 1882 died 21 July 1916 in Port Augusta, South Australia

4th " Thomas

5th " Robert Albert George West born 15 May 1888 at Goobragandra near Tumut, birth reg. as Albert George West, Tumut No 36612, died

(no date) Townsville Queensland, married Mary Edgar 16 January 1915 at Rozelle Sydney, dissolved 16 December 1930, married Doris Hall

6th child Alice J M West born 28 May 1890 in Tumut died 4 October 1966 in Brisbane Queensland, married Horace Brady. One child - Joan Brady married Les Grono

You have the wives of James West (Henry 1) 1860 - 1925 and James West (William Henry West 2 Henry 1) 1873 - 1919 mixed up.

James West (Henry 1) 1858 -1925 died aged 67 married Ellen Power 1865 - 1926 at Adaminaby in 1894

1st child Ida May West born 1894 married John Thatcher

2nd child Hercules Francis West 1886 - 1960

3rd " Lila Ethel Maude West 1898 married George Stanley Southwell

4th " Phyllis 1904

You have Emily W West as a child. I don’t know anything about her and Hercule's daughter says her father didn't have a sister with that name.

The children of Hercules Francis West and Valerie Ellen Norris are -

1. Neville James West born 3 August 1930, died 19 April 2009 at Adelong

2. daughter still living

3. Alan Hercules West born 29 Novemeber 1938 died 4 December 2006 at Wagga

4. Nathaniel West born 1946 died 1946

James West (William Henry 2 Henry 1) 1873- 1919 maried Kathkeen Edith Brooks (1888 - 1955) on 26 April 1909 at Union church, Bolaro, Adaminaby

1st child Eileen West born 27 March 1910 died 12 September 2000 married Keith Thomas born 5 March 1898 died 15 February 1975

2nd child Freda Marjorie Jean West born 1 September 1912 died 39 September 2001 married Donald Wilfred Petersen born 3 September 1913

died 10 August 1976, both are buried at St Mary's Church Denham Court Sydney

3rd " Esma Elsie West born 1915 died 2006, known as May.

4th Sydney James Druitt West died 3 March 2005

5th daughter still living

Henry Alfred West (Henry 1) 1870 -1938 married Elsie Olive Brooks 1883

- 1976

1st child Francis Henry West 1904 - 1977 married Violet MayWare 1916 - 1997

2nd child Eric Henry Lloyd West born 10 August 1920 at Adaminaby died 10 April 2009, buried in War Graves section of Canberra cemetery,

married Amy Dunshea on 6 July 1950 at Canberra. Amy was born 6 December 1924 and died 21 December 2002, buried at

Canberra Cemetery.

Please contact me if you have problems with any of this.

Thank you for doing such great job of recording the families of the Monaro. Ronda East

Hi Ronda,

Thank you for the additional information, I have amended our records and website.

Regards, Ian

From: Rod Burrell
Sent: Tuesday, 10 November 2009 6:23 PM
Subject: Monaro Pioneers -Robert Clugston

Hi Ian

Newtownhamilton (one word) is a small village in Armagh but also a parish. The three Clugstons who emigrated all had their births registered in the parish of Newtownhamilton, County Armagh, Ireland. Their five sisters, all registered there, apparently remained in Armagh. NSW birth places shown are usually where the births were registered and perhaps no point in changing, but you may be interested in the following about the children of first Robert. Samuel (7M) was born at Araluen; Sarah Jane (8F) was born 1861 (not 1862) at Bodalla; Robert (M) was born at Bingi Bingi (sometimes Bingie Bingie or Bingie) near Moruya; William James (9M) was also born at Bingi Bingi and not near Adaminaby. (At that time the families of both Robert and his brother Samuel were living at Bingi Bingi, when Sam's first four children were born between 1864 and 1869.) The births of eleven of Sam's twelve children were registered at Broulee with the last registered at Moruya (which supplanted Broulee as the registration centre). Oddly the only birth at Moruya was the first, Jane, while the family lived at Bingi Bingi. The next three births were at Bingi Bingi, the fifth at Cobargo and the next seven (including the last one registered at Moruya) at various farms forming part of the famous Bodalla Estate. The first Robert's daughter, Sarah Jane, married William Charles Evans (or Charles William Evans) in 1883, not 1884. She married on the same day as her brother Thomas. Her registration at 1883/5685 followed that of Thomas 1883/5684. The children of the second marriage of William James Clugston are not listed in birth order. My grandfather George Ireland, the husband of Ellen Clugston, did not have his death registered at Murrumburrah, despite what the NSW transcriptions may show. He died at Peter Street, Murwillumbah where at the time four of his married children were living. (A year earlier on 1935 I had visited them all there with my mother and siblings.)

Am unsure about some of the ages. Unfortunately some of my files on Armagh and the Clugstons generally, have gone missing, so I can longer prove that Sam was born in 1834 although I believe this to be the case. It seems possible that Sam may have understated his age from the time of his arrival in Australia, whether deliberately or unwittingly. His age shown at the birth of his children, and on his death certificate (when his age was stated at 78 years), all point to a birth in 1837 or 1838.

Jane, and Robert's wife Sarah, both seem to have overstated their ages on the passenger list of the David McIvor (sometimes McIver). Jane was said to be 18 on the ship but 19 four years later when she married. Sarah was said to be a year younger that Robert on theship, but three years younger when their children were born. Ian, I hope you can make sense of the above. Best Wishes, Rod

Hi Rod,

Thank you.

Regards, Ian

From: Tony Lawlis
Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2009 4:55 PM
Subject: DESCENDANTS OF PATRICK LAWLESS COOMA 1864

Ian,

Patrick Lawless was my Great Great Grandfather. I am the son of Norman Patrick Lawlis. My father was the son of Patrick Lawlis. Dad passed away almost 20 years ago now. If possible, it would be appreciated if there is any information about the following;

· Is there any information on relatives (especially his father) on Patrick Lawless born 1809 in Ballyhaigh, Kilkenny ,Ireland?

· Is there any information on the children of Patrick Lawlis born 1872 Cooma New South Wales?

If any information can be found I would be very grateful. Many thanks, Tony Lawlis

Hi Tony,

Everything we know about this family is already displayed on our site.

Regards,Ian

From: Michael

Date: 6/11/2009 1:17:25 AM

Subject: Geoffrey Hugh Mugidge

Dear Pattrick,

My name is Michael Andrew Mugidge bon 20/06/1963, son of Geoffrey Hugh Mugridge bon 03/11/1936. My father passed away recently, 24th Sept 09. I want to contact Dad's bothers and sister to let them know that he has passed away and was wondering if you have any details for Noel Mugridge, Ian Mugridge, Bevan Mugridge, Wayne Mugridge. Any assistance you can give would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards, Michael

Hi Michael,

Unfortunately we have no information that might assist you.

Regards, Ian

From: Dianne Snowden
Sent: Sunday, 22 November 2009 4:56 PM
Subject: Monaro Pioneers: Edward Snowden

Dear Ian

Thank-you for all your hard work. A correction to the Edward Snowden database:

3. Thomas Snowden (Edward¹) died on December 21, 1906 in Cooma, NSW² and was buried in Mittagang Cemetery, Cooma, NSW Grave 935.

Thomas married Elizabeth Tipping in 1853 in Scots Church, Pitt Street, Sydney, NSW.²¹

Thomas Stanley Snowden was the son of Edward and Elizabeth. He was born in 1857 in Sydney and so cannot have married Elizabeth Tipping in 1853.

Thomas Snowden, a 48-year-old labourer, died of ‘abscess of lung’ on 21 December 1906 in Cooma Hospital. [NSW Death Certificate NSW Death Certificate 1906/12241: Thomas Snowden] According to his death certificate, Thomas married Margaret Donaldson in Cooma when he was 23 (c1880). His children were:

Thomas Edward Snowden b.1881
Ernest Snowden b.1884
Madeline May Snowden b.1886

14. Edward Thomas Snowden (Thomas E.³, Thomas², Edward¹) was born in 1884 in Cooma, NSW¹⁴⁵ and died in 1931 in West Wyalong, NSW¹⁴⁶ at age 47.

Edward married Isabella Janet White, daughter of Thomas White and Catherine Mary A. Casey, in 1909 in Adaminaby, NSW.¹⁵⁷ Isabella was born in 1894 in Kiandra, NSW¹⁵⁸ and died in 1965 in Penrith, NSW¹⁵⁹ at age 71.

Thomas Edward Snowden (or Edward Thomas Snowden) was born in 1881, not 1884. [The footnote reference on MP is for his brother, Ernest] Thomas Edward/Edward Thomas is the one who married Isabella White: Edward Thomas Snowden, a 26-year-old farmer, and Isabella Jenit White, a 16-year-old housekeeper, were married at St Mary’s Church, Adaminaby on 11 July 1909.[NSW Marriage Certificate 1909/7285: Isabella Jenit WHITE & Edward Thomas SNOWDEN]

All very complicated when the names keep on reoccurring! I hope you are surviving your very hot weather. Kind regards, Dianne Snowden

Hi Dianne,

Thanks for letting us know. I have amended our records and done a little more research. The hot weather has now past thank goodness, without serious problem.

Regards, Ian

From: Michelle Ambrosini
Sent: Monday, 30 November 2009 12:19 AM
Subject: Monaro Pioneers- Hoad information

Just wanting to add and amend some information for the HOAD site from John Henry William Hoad(Henry-2,William-1)

John Henry William Hoad (Known as “Jack”) and Eliza Clifton had the following children.

1. Gladys Eliza M Hoad born 18/09/1893 Tumut. Died 08/09/1978 Sydney.

Married 1. Arthur Roy Harold Flanagan( b 1891 of Bathurst ) on 20/08/1915 in Kempsey . Arthur was KIA 18/10/1917 France. Buried in Ypres Reservoir North Cemetery Grave # I.G. 77. PVT A.R.H Flanagan 3^rd Divison Pioneer Battalion, Service #423.

Child of that marriage was i.GWLADYS JOYCE (known as Joyce) b 06/02/1915 Kempsey

Married 2. Ernest Roy Sellers 1923, Annandale, Sydney

Children from that marriage were

i. Gwenda Clifton Sellers b 1924

ii. June W Sellers b 1925

iii. Keith Sellers b 1931

2. Irene Emily Hoad born 27/02/1895 Tumut –died Mudgee

Married Edward Thomas Marsh in 1915

Children from that marriage were:

i. Madeline P Marsh b 1915

ii. Clifton H Marsh b 1917 d 1917

iii. Edward Neville Marsh b 1920 d 1942

iv. John R Marsh b 1931

3. Clifton Henry James Hoad b 1896 Tumut. KIA 5/11/1917 Palestine. Trooper C.H.J. Hoad,1^st AIF 2^nd Light Horse Brigade Machine Gun Squadron. Service # 2815. Buried in Beersheba War Cemetery, Palestine. Grave Reference B15. Trooper Hoad’s name is located at PANEL 180, in the Commemorative Area of the Australian War Memorial.

4. Aubrey Eric Hoad (Known as Eric) b 23/03/1898 d 30/05/1937 Taree, interred in Dawson River General Cemetery, Anglican Section Row K/43.

Served 1^ST AIF, PVT A.E. Hoad, 30^th Battalion 1916-1919 . Service # 5128

Married **Myril Doreen Miriam Clifton b 08/09/1904 Dubbo died 22/07/1967 in Gundagai, buried in Presbyterian Section North Gundagai (**Name is Registered in that particular order on Birth Cert # 31920/1904)

Married 16/12/1925 Dubbo

Children from that Marriage were

i. Eric Maxwell Hoad (Known as MAX) b 10/11/1927 Kempsey, ^^died 21/06/1992, Coffs Harbour married Irene Mae Miller, daughter of Grace Vera Cullen and Douglas Gilbert Miller , ^^^08/09/1951 in Gundagai

ii. Douglas John Hoad b 1932 Kempsey d 1983 Sydney, married Margaret Elizabeth Frazer ,daughter of Francis J Frazer and Helen M Roche , ***04/02/1956

Myril Doreen Miriam Hoad had a relationship with Bede Daniel Herring (b 1904 Wellington), but never married.

Child of that relationship was

i.Gary Bede Herring b 1941 Gundagai

^^Death 106359/1992

^^^Marriage 20658/1951

*** marriage 5970/1956

Kind regards, Michelle

Hi Michelle,

Thank you for the information.

Regards, Ian

From: Kerrie & Robert Beers
Sent: Tuesday, 24 November 2009 5:01 PM
Subject: Correction to Pioneer descendants of Monaro

Dear Ian,

My husband is a descendant of many of the Monaro Pioneers. I did not know until now I could make corrections to other peoples submissions to the site. Please Ian remove the following information about Ann Love daughter of Joseph Love, it is totally incorrect.

John Love file

Notes: Annie White (doyen of Bega Hostesses of 19^th Century)
(copied from a Century of Progress 1857-1957 by Barbara Adams [davida8-at-bigpond.com])
When the doyen of Bega Hostesses of the 19^th century, Mrs. Annie White, allowed the leading identities of the day to assemble in her Victoria Inn to lay the foundation of the Bega Agricultural, Horticultural and Pastoral Association, her assistance was appreciated by all.
Lifting back the pages of Bega's history, one can see a group of men of the soil-pioneers, whose hands were their first implements to ensure survival in this still young country- who had been provided with the warmth of hospitality that glowed in the Victoria Inn through the personality of Mrs. White for their inaugural show society meeting.
No record of the day, would be complete without including some reference to Mrs. White. Who first arrived in Australia in 1842 but it was not Bega where she turned her footsteps, for Monaro first claimed her interest accompanying her husband to Pambula then spelt Panbula
In 1852 Mrs. Annie White's husband John James White, started the first hotel in Bega, in the Yarranung area. Lightening claimed Mr. White soon after, and he was buried in the Corridgeree Cemetery.
The loss of her spouse did not deter or discourage the self reliant Mrs. White, who set about completing the brick inn. This one above flood level in Auckland Street where the building stands to this day.
The change of site reveals that the early settlers were learning how to avoid the floods that swept down and enveloped the (something)…....flats
That Mrs. Annie White never turned away a poor wayfarer may account for her difficult financial position, which at one stage forced her to obtain a loan of one thousand pound at eight percent interest in those days that was a lot of money.

Anne married John James White on April 14, 1843 in Church Of England Canbury (Almost certainly Canberra), Lake George, Queanbeyan, NSW.²⁶⁷ John was born circa 1821 in London, England and died on October 5, 1852 in Eden, NSW at age 31. The cause of his death was killed by lightning.

A strange co- incidence, it seems there were two John Whites married to Anns in the Monaro area, both Ann's being inn keepers but my John & Ann were at Eden; then after John's death & her second marriage to Daniel Dunn, Ann & Daniel opened an Inn at Honeysuckle near Wyndham, known as Honeysuckle Inn. The Ann & John incorrectly stated as mine on the Monaro pioneers is Anne White ,born Anne Stephenson Wiltshire, UK, August 15, 1807. Died August 1888. This Anne White arrived in the colony in 1842 and first went to the Monaro then Pambula and later Bega, where in 1852, her husband opened the first public house in Bega. Two years after their arrival her husband was killed (1854.)

Ann Love's husband was just plain old John White, no middle name. Ann Love did marry John White 14.4.1843 at Jerrabomberra (Queanbeyan). He was a convict & born about 1820/1 in London. He did die 5.10.1852 at Eden & is buried at Eden but his cause of death is unknown. John White was a farm labourer. The children information is correct.

Further information to correct re Robert Higgins also Thomas Triggell

Robert's wife Ellen Triggell was not born in NSW 1828 as her parents Thomas & Henrietta did not arrive in Australia until 1834. She was born in England, possibly near the boarder of Hampshire & Wiltshire about 1833.

I have a further correction or perhaps the following information can be offered as consideration to the Mary Jane Stimpson file, it does not really change the fact Mary Jane was a pioneer of Monaro but I would really like everyone to take on board that Stephen & Susan Stimpson in all probability were not her parents.

Many researchers believe Mary Jane Stimpson was the daughter of Stephen Stimpson & Susan Fowler. Why? Is it because this is the only baptism to be found for a Mary Jane on the IGI at Dunstable. It is to be noted that the baptism is for Mary Janet in 1830. All records in Australia lead researchers to a birth year for Mary Jane of 1818 or 1820. The parish register for Dunstable shows Susan & Stephen's children were baptised too frequently to simply put off Mary's christening for 10 years. Further there was a child baptised to them in in 1818 being Susan & 1820 being Caroline. I have traced the Mary Jane/t born 1830 in each English census to 1881, she remains unmarried, occupation a straw bonnet maker, living Dunstable, born Dunstable 1830.

The information which is irrefutable is given by Mary Jane herself on her marriage to John Smith in 1863. She states her parents are Brice Stimpson a gold beater & Ann Fowler.

An interesting record for marriage banns for 1805 at Dunstable has lead me to London - Stephen Stimpson was recorded as from the parish of St. Ann in the city of Westminster London
The IGI shows Stephen married Susan Fowler 2.3.1806 at St. Ann Soho Westminster London, there were only marriage banns on the Dunstable film I looked at for Mid September 1805, so perhaps a decision was made to marry in London instead.

There is no baptism recorded on the IGI for Stephen in the London area; but a Stephen Stimpson married Jannett Murdock 20.1.1780 at St Ann Soho Westminster London. While there is no issue of Stephen to them on the IGI the 3 other issue recorded are William bapt 1780 St Ann Soho Westminster, Brice 14.8.1786 Ebenezer Independent Hammersmith London; Ann 1789 Ebenezer Independent Hammersmith London.
I believe there is definitely a connection to the London Stimpsons & the Dunstable Stimpsons as Stephen at Dunstable named a son Brice, possibly after his brother & another son William Murdock (Murdock being his mothers maiden name) who in turn named his son William Murdock.

Pallots Marriage Index for London shows Brice Stimpson married Anne Fowler at St Pancras 1815, I have seen the film of the original Pallots index. The IGI shows Anne's name as Tiester, which has been transcribed incorrectly.

To the Fowlers - Anne may have been a sister of Susan. There is a baptism at Dunstable for Anne Fowler 1795, sister Susan baptised 1787 & a brother Henry 1776 (this Henry had a son Henry baptised 1813 also at Dunstable & may be the one to have accompanied Mary Jane to Australia).

Brice Stimpson appears on the 1841 & 51 census living London, a gold beater but his wife's name varies to the 71 census as Mary, Ann, & Mary Ann with a birth year of 1795/6 born at Middlesex. They have children William born 1831 & Agnes 1840 born London.

The questions unanswered are - did Ann Fowler die & Brice remarry another woman named Mary Ann having further children 10-12 years after Mary Jane's birth. Why does Mary Jane state she was born in Dunstable (which is possible but there is no baptism there for her) Is it possible Anne died leaving Brice with a tiny baby whom he sent to Dunstable to her aunt & uncle to raise? She did name a daughter Susan & had a close connection with the Fowlers to come to Australia with a Henry Fowler.

Thank You, Kerrie Beers

Hi Kerrie,

Thanks for the information, hopefully I have it all correct now.

Regards, Ian

From: Michelle Ambrosini
Sent: Friday, 27 November 2009 11:42 PM
Subject: George Cullen -monaro pioneers

Hi Ian

Just want to add to and fix a couple things up in regards to The George Cullen page.

Grace Vera Cullen( daughter of John George Cullen and Ann Amelia Eldridge) married Douglas Gilbert Miller son of Alexander Miller and Annie Rosa Johnstone of Tasmania (Not Rose Roberts as mentioned on Monaro pioneers site)

Children of that marriage:

1. COLLEEN MAY b 21/05/1931 ,(d 26/02/1932)

2. RUTH IRENE b 05/03/1933 -Married William (Bill) McGovern

3. IRENE MAE b 12/06/1934 -Married -Eric Maxwell Hoad on 9^th Sept ,1951 in Gundagai (b 10/11/1927-d 21/06/1992 in Coffs Harbour, Parents of Eric Maxwell Hoad were Aubrey Eric Hoad and Myril Doreen Miriam Clifton)

4. BEVERLEY ANN b 02/11/1936-Married Kenneth Feint

5. NEWELL DONALD (Donny) b 26/05/1938

6. DUNCAN EDWARD b 05/10/1941, (d 28/03/1980)

7. DOUGLAS GILBERT MILLER b 20/06/1940 ,(d 31/10/1940)

Hi Michelle,

Thanks

Regards, Ian

From: Carole & Michael
Sent: Wednesday, 18 November 2009 10:26 PM
Subject: Descendants of James Power - Monaro Pioneers Database

Good evening Ian

I was delighted to come across the web pages on the Monaro Pioneers this evening. I was very interested as I am a descendant of James Power, his son, my grandfather was James Thomas Power born 6^th November 1840 part of the second generation. James Thomas Power & his wife Evelyn are both buried at Adelong cemetery. James Thomas Power’s daughter was my mother, Edna Ruby Power who married Ernest Wells Sturt.

I notice that there is an incorrect birth date shown for my mother. Her birth date was 12^th November 1917. Mum passed away 28^th March 2004 in Picton and is buried in Tumut in the Anglican section of the Tumut Cemetery next to my Dad who died on 27^th April 1982 in Tumut.

Mum’s brother James Leslie Power was born on 15^th April 1914 at Darbalara NSW (near Tumut & Gundagai) and died on 21^st January 1961. He married Rose Josephine West on 26^th June 1934. Rose passed away in 1997. Mum’s sister Eileen May Power was born also at Darbalara. Mum’s brother Mervyn Roy Power passed away 1^st September 1986 in Tumut. His second marriage to Gladys was on 14^th December 1965.

I hope that I have helped you with a little extra information on this part of the family, pioneers of the Monaro. Growing up Mum always spoke fondly of Adaminaby and was a regular visitor to the area. Dad was part of many droving trips to the mountains with stock to graze the snow leases. I remember Dad telling me a story about a young Brumby foal he caught on one trip and brought home and trained and used to win prizes jumping at the various local shows in his youth with his brumby.

Does your organisation have a newsletter that they publish as I would be interested to subscribe to one. I have enjoyed immensely just reading this history and then to see my family’s names just pleased me no end.

Best wishes and kind regards, Carole Wheeler

Hi Carol,

Thank you for the information. I do have a question though. You state that James Leslie Power died January 21, 1961 but the NSW BDM Index has his death registered in 1967. Do you have a copy of his death certificate to verify the death date of 1961?

Yes we do have a newsletter which is published by email on regular basis. We will add your address to our distribution list. Recent back copies of the newsletter are viewable on our website - there is a link on the home page.

Regards, Ian

Ian

Thankyou for answering my email. I am so pleased that you have added me to the mailing list for your newsletter. I am very interested in the Monaro area although I was born in Tumut we were and still are frequent visitors to the Monaro.

Typo, yes Uncle Les, (James Leslie) as he was known to us, did die on 21st Jan 1967. Sorry about that error on my part.

Mum recorded all the family births & deaths in her bible which I now have, it is a good reference.

Is your group interested in adding the next generation of our family to the database as I could supply you with information if you were interested?

Kind regards, Carole

Hi Carole,

Whilst our project name does state Monaro, our scope of interest now extends well beyond those traditional boundaries and does include many families from surrounding districts including the Tumut area. The database I am building which contains all the family details has become a population map of the southern part of NSW and hopefully is a helpful research tool for anyone looking for connections from that area. We would certainly be most grateful for any additional information you could provide.

Regards, Ian

From: Rhonda Buttery
Sent: Wednesday, 25 November 2009 12:15 AM
Subject: extra information Monaro Pioneers

Good evening Ian

I have been looking at the Monaro Pioneer site (referred by my 2^nd cousin) and notice there are some details missing from my grandparent’s entry. At the bottom I have provided some further information which you may like to add. If verification is required for extra entries, what sort of material do you require? My mother is living though my father died during this year.

146. Ellen Maples (James Maples³, Mary Emma Blacka², William¹) was born in 1889 in Bega, NSW⁷⁰² and died on November 25, 1982 in Moruya, NSW at age 93.

Ellen married Charles Henry Crandell, son of George Abraham Crandell and Sarah Ann Keevil, on December 30, 1908 in Church of England, Bega, NSW.¹⁵⁶⁰ Charles was born in 1881 in Braidwood, NSW,¹⁵⁶¹ was baptised on August 28, 1881 in Church of England, Braidwood, NSW, and died in August 1958 in Moruya, NSW¹⁵⁶² at age 77.

Children from this marriage were:

M i. Keith W. Crandell was born about 1911 in NSW.

Keith married Anastasia B. Pollock in 1935 in Moruya, NSW.¹⁵⁶³

F ii. Jean Crandell was born about 1913 in NSW.

Jean married Andrew Rodeghiero in 1931 in Moruya, NSW.¹⁵⁶⁴

M iii. James Kitchener Crandell was born about 1915 in NSW.

James married Emily Teresa Pollock in 1938 in Moruya NSW Australia ref 4100.¹⁵⁶⁵

Other children from this marriage were :

Irene Crandell (eldest) born about 1908, married Noel Pike and lived at Minnamurra NSW

Leslie Charles (aka Bob) Crandell (my father) (youngest) born 5 August 1923 in Moruya district died 31 July 2009 in Moruya. Married Jean Eileen Watson (born 11.12.1928 in Sydney) married Peakhurst, Sydney 5^th March 1949. Divorced 31^st July 1975.

Children:

1. Rhonda Eileen Crandell (Lysons, Buttery) born 1950 in Sydney. Married David Edwin Lysons (born 1942 Swinton, Lancs, England) on 1972 at Fairfield, Sydney, NSW.

Children Kathryn Frances Lysons (born 1975, Bentley WA) and Nathan Geoffrey Lysons (born 1976, Bentley WA).

David and Rhonda divorced December 1991.

Rhonda married Denis Arthur Buttery (born 1950 in Sydney) on 1992 at Cleveland, Brisbane, Divorced 11.1.1999

2 Leslie Robert Crandell born 1953. Married Joanne Gannon (born 1953 in Sydney) at Fairfield, Sydney in October 1975.

Children Rebecca Jane Crandell (born 1982) and Daniel Crandell (born 1984).

The web site is a mammoth resource and I can imagine the amount of work that has gone into its creation. My partner’s family have been involved in their genealogy and I have seen how huge the job is. Congratulations on the job you have done in creating and managing this wonderful resource.

Regards, Rhonda Buttery

Hi Rhonda,

Thank you for the information. The site is only possible through the generous contributions of family information and images from our supporters and interested researchers.

Regards, Ian

From: vwq47
Subject: Patrick Connelly - Levett connection

G’day from Brisbane Ian. This is a long shot but I am looking for anyone interested in the LEVETT or LEVETTS name in Australia and I note the name appears in at least one family I your data base. Are you aware of anyone looking into this name in Australia please? I am interested in a Wm Levett(s) who was in Adelaide in the mid 1800s. Thanks for your time. Dave Yates

Hi Dave,

We can put your request in our next newsletter.

Regards, Ian

From: Margaret Baker
Sent: Thursday, 10 December 2009 2:16 AM
Subject: David Tindall

NSW Probate gives the actual date of death

BURCHER 1908 – 1985

Adelaide Malverra 3 Aug 1922

Alan Arthur 22 Aug 1945

Albert Stephen 29 Jun 1919

ABlerta Esme 12 Apr 1975

Annie 23 May 1948

Annie Davidson 20 Nov 1939

Arthur James 24 Jan 1933

Carl Eric 19 Oct 1975

Caroline Elizabeth 12 May 1947

Charles 27 Nov 1916

Charles Euglo 3 Apr 1968

Charles Reginald 6 May 1944

Charlotte Ellen 22 Jan 1941

Christina Mary 20 Oct 1922

Clare Olive 22 Mar 1966

David Patrick 2 Feb 1971

Doris Eileen 10 Nov 1960

Doris Elle 12 Mar 1961

Edith Lydia 14 Jul 1968

Edward Arthur 9 Nov 1953

Edward Rupert 14 Oct 1942

Eliza Harriett 31 Dec 1908

Elizabeth Clara 14 Apr 1931

Elle Martha 15 Apr 1965

Elsie Mary 24 Mar 1955Qld

Elsie May 25 May 1976

Eric Maynard 4 Apr 1970

Estelle Beatrice 19 Jan 1965

Frederick 28 Aug 1932

Frederick James 11 Jun 1948

Frederick William 26 Jan 1979

George Henry 17 Jul 1925

George William 17 Feb 1967

Harrie Maynard 15 Mar 1950

Harvey Clive 4 Feb 1968

Helen Leck 26 Mar 1941

Henry Hilbrandt 13 Aug 1982

Herbert Ernest 20 Jan 1959

Honoria Elizabeth !8 Sep 1928

Horace Sydney 19 Nov 1938

John Humphrey 18 Nov 1950

John Thomas 28 May 1921

John Thomas Neale 11 Aug 1956

Leslie Herbert 3 Jun 1964

Liliy Honoria 29 Jyn 1978

Louisa Amelai 2 Apr 1951

Maria 4 Apr 1941

Mary 29 Jan 1951Qld

Minnie 22 Aug 1947

Myrtle Rossmore 5 Jun 1970

Natheniel Cyrus 9 Jan 1945

Reginald George 22 Feb 1956

Rex Brian 11 Nov 1983

Richard Selby 30 Jul 1956Qld

Robert Leslie 20 Oct 1939

Rudolph George 13 Dec 1974

Septimus John Rowley 24 Apr 1985

Stella Farian 27 Feb 1980

Stephen Thomas 21 Oct 1920

Stephen Thomas 21 Dec 1938

Thomas Henry 31 Jul 1959

Thomasena Annie 30 Nov 1928

Veronica(Vera) 24 Oct 1983

Wilfred Stephen 2 Nov 1968

Wiliamina Catherine 5 Jun 1924

William Charles 12 Jul 1931

William Edward 7 Jan 1945 Presumed

William John 2 Feb 1932

Hi Margaret,

Thanks,

Regards, Ian

From: kimberly neuss

Date: 12/11/2009 4:59:57 PM

Subject: Neuss family in the U.S.

Hi,

I don't know if my family and yours are at all related or have any connections but I thought I would send an email. I am 35 and my family had come to the United States from Germany many years ago. My grandfather passed away very young (42) and some family history was lost. I happened upon your website and was amazed at the similarities in family names. Maybe by chance, but many Henry, William, Joseph, Sarah, Gerard,Gus, ect. I have never met another family with the last name Neuss. I thought maybe you might have some insight to branches of family from Germany. Maybe it's nothing. Is Neuss a very popular name where you are? Again, I have never met anyone with the same name. Thanks for your time, Kim Neuss.

Hi Kimberly,

I suggest you try one of the following

Nath and Kylie Lynch: nato_kyles@yahoo.com.au

Debbie Burgess: debbie_burgess1@yahoo.com.au

Bev Koellner: bkoellne@bigpond.net.au

Raelene Costello: raelenenicole@hotmail.com

Pattrick Mould

From: rosebud
Sent: Friday, 27 November 2009 7:58 AM
Subject: family History

Hello Ian,

I just wanted to say thank you to all those that spent so much time putting together the Monaro Pioneers & for putting it on the internet.

It has been very helpful to me , I had been searching for my husbands family history for years and found the link I was looking for in the Monaro Register, John Bennett. Also I told a friend of my dicovery and she asked me to see if her family were there, they were, she is related to the Inskips via Hannah Inskip & George Dibley. Many Thanks, Sally

Hi Sally,

We are delighted you have found our humble efforts to be of some value, thank you for the kind words.

Regards, Ian

From: rosebud
Sent: Sunday, 22 November 2009 5:52 PM
Subject: The Bennetts

Hello Ian,

My husbands family include Alfred John Bennett from Balmain,his grandfather. From my research it seems Alfred maybe related to John Bennett.

Marriage cert.8963/1913 states Alfred John Bennett, bachelor born Balmain: parents Alfred Bennett/ Elizabeth Brown m: Loucina Jane Anderson 3-7-1913.

Marriage cert.1882/ 002036, Alfred Bennett residence Balmain aged 28, parents John Bennett (artist)/ Emily Lowe m: Elizabeth Brown.

I would love to hear from you. Sally

Hi Sally,

The Bennett family to which you refer is incomplete in our database and we have no information on Alfred at this time unfortunately.

Regards, Ian

From: The Woy Woy mob

Sent: 2009-11-08 17:35
Subject: Re: MONARO PIONEERS NEWSLETTER - October 2009 Edition

Hi David,

Thanks so much for your email, as i was scrolling down thinking there may be some updated information on my relatives from Bombala - Michael & Mary Kavanagh (nee Walsh) when much to my surprise i came across John Lesleighter & Jacob Leslight,who happens to be related to my GG Grandmother - Barbara Lechleiter - daughter of George Adam & Barbara Lechleiter, they arrived in NSW on the ship named '' Cesar Goddefroy'' from Feudenhein, Germany. I would love to get in contact with the person who supplied this information to this website and was wondering if you had their email address ?

Kind Regards, Vicki

Hi Ian,

A query from Vicky regarding the updated John Lesleighter entry, would you have a contact for this Pioneer’s family ?

John Lesleighter - New file - http://www.monaropioneers.com/Lesleighter-John.htm

Thanks, David

Hi Vicki,

I am the culprit responsible for the information in our database on these two families, there is no specific contributor as such. I have been able to put these family trees together as part of my ongoing research with the MP database. I do hope there are not too many errors or omissions.

Regards, Ian

From: Pauline Williams
Sent: 2009-11-08 23:21
Subject: RE: MONARO PIONEERS NEWSLETTER - October 2009 Edition

Hello David

Launcelot Henry Beck (103) is my father. He died at Kingswood on the 23rd July 1983, can you please change your records to say Kingswood SA, not NSW.

Also, my father married Viola Rennie Hera-Singh on the 27th March 1942 at Adelaide SA. I will come back to you shortly as soon as I have the full name of Aunty Connies husband.

Regards, Pauline Williams

Thanks for the update Pauline, we will make the necessary corrections.

Regards, David Knox

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